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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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additional july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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welcome

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today's tuesday february

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36 days into the new year just

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329 days left

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black we are live from a

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bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california for kjccr

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the game changer network in kgra the

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planet i am your host jimmy church what

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is kraken

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how you doing

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i got an email today that said

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jimmy you are truly the howard stern

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of ufos

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that looks like all right

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i'll take that

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i haven't had any strippers in the

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bunker though but

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but all right all right all right

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i need a

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i'm just going to let that go i didn't

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get the email though

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all right let's do this tonight very

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special guest is joining us

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ufo researcher michael schratt is here

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we have got a lot to talk about tonight

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with michael

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great researchers in ufology

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and yes i leaked it out i went and uh

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sat down with michael for a few hours

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couldn't do it all there's way too much

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there would take weeks but went through

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a bunch of his uh files and

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he gifted me

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are you ready you guys you're gonna be

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so jealous

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he gifted me

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his favorite top secret reports

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wouldn't you want to know what is in

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here look at this

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look at this illustration right here

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show and and the timing of it couldn't

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be better so i i will let all of that

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fly uh at the bottom of the hour when we

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bring michael in okay

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all right see

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tomorrow oh tomorrow's a very special

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surprise guest we will make that

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announcement tomorrow morning

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and thursdays another fader night open

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lines all night long friday i'm off

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saturday sunday i am over hosting coast

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to coast am okay all right then we kick

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off another monday

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pretty soon i can't even believe it as

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uh the conscious life expo that's coming

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uh very quickly here on us too as well

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and uh okay a couple of things i got uh

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and i meant to uh show everybody this it

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doesn't get any better

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and it finally made its way to the

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and so i can do this but i got a

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christmas card rita and i did

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get lost in montana that's pretty cool

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but it doesn't stop there check this out

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i got evan and sean's fader one and

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somebody post up the fader one and fader

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two in twitter fader one and fader two

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from flag football yeah check it out

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i got their football trading cards

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how cool is that and i want to thank

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how cool is that okay these are proudly

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trading cards

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and uh it's just a you better check that

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out okay so proudly displayed

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right here in the bunker they are the

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that found that bigfoot footprints

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and kelly's son okay so i'm getting two

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this stuff lights me up right there

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right there that's what happens when

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you're a parent and more on that in just

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jimmy church fade to black it's not easy

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to do uh follow me on twitter at j

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okay and you can go now and follow like

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on our website and the hashtag f2b is

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the sandbox in twitter so come and hang

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out okay all right lots of conversation

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email is jimmy

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breaking news

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gabriel and sherry tegan

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welcomed into the world their son

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apollo james finley tegan

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yeah born at 2 47 p.m at 8 pounds 4

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20 inches long

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come what's gabriel he's in the hospital

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he's listening to the show

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congratulations you two um we have

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another fader tot another fader todd in

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the family i just cannot believe it

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vader talk congratulations everything's

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healthy

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he is absolutely handsome

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and check him out

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check him out look at his hands

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that is a healthy big

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oh sherry made sure

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oh that is just amazing and i got tears

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in my eyes that is just great

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congratulations you two

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and then this is a great name by the way

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apollo

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yeah beautiful beautiful beautiful

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beautiful welcome congratulations

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and uh nothing like uh a life ahead

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it's just the the best feeling in the

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world it's the life you know you just

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get to sit and wonder oh look at

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i didn't see this picture oh

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look at that look at his blankie it's

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you guys are too much

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absolutely absolutely wonderful

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nothing like it okay all right start

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making plans you two

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get the savings account going

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you're gonna start making promises right

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now in the hospital you can have

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whatever you want

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you're you're my boy

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anything you want well you know you

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all right four hours ago congratulations

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gabe and uh sherry

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absolutely amazing all right

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at 6 00 p.m

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tonight right before the show president

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trump gave his state of the union

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i didn't watch it i was busy prepping

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i'll uh wait for uh i'll watch the

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replays and uh and get caught up on all

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the notes with everything but hopefully

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it didn't take away from our numbers

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tonight but if so i understand but

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thankfully it happens just once a year

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other news today big news big news

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the pilot

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of the twin engine plane that broke up

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in the sky and slammed into a house here

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in southern california

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the pilot was carrying a fake police

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badge

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before the fatal crash

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the uh the pictures this plane just

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drops out of the sky it doesn't fly just

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just come straight down

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and crash into this house killed four

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people in the house and the pilot the

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pilot's name antonio pastini

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75 years old of gardnerville nevada

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he was identified as the pilot

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authorities initially believed he was a

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former police officer because they found

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the the badge on him but have since

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learned that he was not affiliated with

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the chicago police department

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that makes you wonder and then

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apparently he had some documents with

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him too they're not talking about that

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uh just yet

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but he wasn't a cop it was a fake badge

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yeah all right now last night

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this is not conspiracy stuff

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this is real this is los angeles and the

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city is freaking out

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after the show last night

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black helicopters started showing up all

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over los angeles twitter went crazy the

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news went crazy film video

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pictures witnesses freaking people out

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they have been seen

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and filmed all over los angeles one

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landed last night

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on will sugar boulevard

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wilshire it's like the the main drag

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here in la we've got sunset boulevard

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wilshire boulevard santa monica

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the main streets

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and highland there are other but but the

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main thoroughfare and the main

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wilshere boulevard

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so it lands on wilshire and then these

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troops

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armed

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come running out of this high-rise

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building

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and uh and this was shot from a news

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helicopter above

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um and also witnesses that were uh

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shooting out of windows would be and

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nobody announced anything

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right

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troops run out of the building

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board the helicopter and then fly away

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freaking everybody out meanwhile and

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that was a lone helicopter overhead

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this is very crazy stuff

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overhead there were formations

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huge formations

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five six seven eight ten

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helicopters flying in the dark

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without their lights on

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so today and this is going all over la

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so today they make this announcement the

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army and says okay you know

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excuse us

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we're

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urban drills

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we're trying to keep our

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our troops

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trained

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in

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urban situations

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yep

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and they are saying that the exercises

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will continue

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in los angeles and long beach

328
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from last night through

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saturday

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it's crazy it's crazy go go on twitter

331
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go do a search take a look what's been

332
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going on flying low and loud without the

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lights on

334
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yeah yeah freaked this city out last

335
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night it wasn't cool

336
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i always hear about black helicopters

337
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and then boom it starts jumping off

338
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right here in los angeles all right come

339
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and join us

340
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for the 2019 conscious life expo right

341
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here in los angeles without the black

342
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helicopters hopefully

343
00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:55,279
at the lax hilton february 22nd through

344
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the 25th today is february 5th you do

345
00:15:02,150 --> 00:14:59,760
the math

346
00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:02,160
it's uh two two and a half weeks away we

347
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will be there all right now friday night

348
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i do have an announcement to make

349
00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:10,079
friday night i will be hosting the panel

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with uh eric von daniken the ancient

351
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aliens panel celebrating the 50th

352
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anniversary of chariots of the gods but

353
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that panel starts at 7 00 p.m on friday

354
00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:24,320
it's listed as 8 p.m in the printed

355
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program it's 7 p.m

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on the

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website

358
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it's 8 p.m in the printed program so you

359
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don't want to be an hour late to that i

360
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will make the announcement every night

361
00:15:42,389 --> 00:15:38,839
on the show and uh we will do what we

362
00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:42,399
can uh during the day there but yeah

363
00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:44,800
they they it's a it's a printing error

364
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:47,360
they made a mistake but it happens we'll

365
00:15:51,030 --> 00:15:49,040
make the announcement and then we'll

366
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just run with it okay but

367
00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:53,279
panel starts at 7 p.m on friday you've

368
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got to get your tickets in advance

369
00:16:01,749 --> 00:15:58,880
go and uh check it out at

370
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:01,759
consciouslifeexpo.com

371
00:16:06,069 --> 00:16:03,759
all right okay then our next event after

372
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that is contact in the desert

373
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may 31st through june 3rd

374
00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:12,079
go to contact in the desert dot com

375
00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:14,240
following that is our 2019 soltech

376
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:16,079
conference over the july 4th weekend at

377
00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:18,639
sunrise ranch in loveland colorado

378
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you've got to register and get on the

379
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waiting list for tickets

380
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and you do that at soultechgathering.com

381
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:31,670
let's go oh by the way hoffman's optics

382
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right the makers of the jimmy church uh

383
00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:36,560
night vision goggles will be with us at

384
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:38,639
the conscious life expo so you want to

385
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:40,880
stop by our booth there and you can also

386
00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:43,839
go to hoffman's optics.com

387
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:46,240
and check out all of the night vision

388
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:48,320
gear the blue

389
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blue chrome balls

390
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:52,880
all right all right now

391
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,560
don't forget to subscribe to our podcast

392
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it's just two dollars per month

393
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go to the podcast banner and you can at

394
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,120
jimmychurchreader.com and also become a

395
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:04,400
fader not in our membership section

396
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,120
at jimmychurchradio.com

397
00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:09,520
happy birthday to today guns n roses

398
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,839
original gangsta

399
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:13,439
duff mckagan

400
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:14,640
today

401
00:17:21,470 --> 00:17:16,640
is the big double nickel

402
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:21,480
55 years old on this day in history

403
00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:24,640
1869 otd

404
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:27,280
the biggest gold nugget in history is

405
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,559
found it was called the welcome stranger

406
00:17:35,470 --> 00:17:32,559
and it was found in australia

407
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,480
and weighed in at over

408
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:38,000
156 pounds

409
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:40,559
wow fader fact

410
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:42,320
a 1996

411
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:43,840
federal law

412
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:47,280
allows restaurants to donate leftover

413
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:49,679
food without getting sued

414
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:51,840
and nobody has ever tried to file a

415
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,559
lawsuit against a restaurant over

416
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:56,960
donated leftovers

417
00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:00,080
that's an amazing fact but yet we throw

418
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:02,080
it all away

419
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:05,200
we waste that's a 1996 federal law right

420
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:07,360
there so all those restaurant owners out

421
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:09,039
there listening to me right now donate

422
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:10,080
your food

423
00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:11,120
donate

424
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:13,520
doesn't it bother you you got a half a

425
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:14,799
steak

426
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:17,440
right a half a baked potato

427
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:19,360
you got that you got what you know and

428
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:20,880
you're just like i'll just have dessert

429
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:22,559
you know and what

430
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:24,400
it's wasted

431
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:25,840
what do you do

432
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,880
right

433
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:28,480
donate

434
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:32,720
go

435
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:35,280
tonight michael schratt is here

436
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:36,799
tomorrow morning we will make our

437
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:38,320
announcement with our very special

438
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:40,400
surprise guest tomorrow thursday is

439
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:42,720
another fader night open lines all night

440
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:48,870
river moon coffee

441
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:50,880
i remember

442
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:55,600
when i had a little debate on the show

443
00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:58,080
with a guest about bitcoin now i can't

444
00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:59,919
remember who it was can't remember the

445
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:01,679
guess but that's not what is important

446
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:04,960
here what is important is that i spent a

447
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:07,840
couple of weeks after that talking about

448
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:10,640
it here and there you know bitcoin and

449
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:13,200
rita said to me one night i'm serious

450
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:16,720
too that's five years ago enough bitcoin

451
00:19:22,830 --> 00:19:19,919
i'm done done hearing about bitcoin

452
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:22,840
and that was back in the day

453
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,720
right

454
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:26,799
back then

455
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:29,520
very few knew much about it

456
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:30,400
okay

457
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:31,840
kind of had to be a little bit of a

458
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:32,880
techie

459
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,200
a little bit on the inside

460
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:37,440
you know to to know anything about to

461
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:39,760
even have heard about bitcoin

462
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:42,640
but i had followed it since its creation

463
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,720
when it was first announced and how it

464
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:46,080
was done

465
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:47,919
and the software behind it and the

466
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,120
blockchain i i was immersed

467
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,200
i was fascinated with it

468
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:55,760
and remember last year when i did my

469
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:58,480
beanie baby comparison

470
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:01,520
well sometimes it sucks to be right and

471
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:05,520
i do feel bad for those who jumped in

472
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:07,280
at the wrong time and lost a bunch of

473
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,400
money

474
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:11,280
but i did warn you

475
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:14,480
bitcoin and crypto markets have been

476
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,240
hurting now for more than a year

477
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:20,640
i keep you posted right here on the show

478
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:23,440
i bring it up every couple of days as a

479
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:26,320
matter of fact right before

480
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:27,679
show time

481
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:30,559
it just took a serious dive

482
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:34,480
serious dive it's 33.80

483
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,520
and if you go to uh coindesk

484
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:40,320
uh go to coindesk bitcoin price and look

485
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:41,840
at what it just did

486
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,039
in the last 20 minutes

487
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:48,159
look at that just a complete nose dive

488
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:50,799
and i and i and i tried to keep

489
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:53,200
everybody posted and i've tried to warn

490
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,799
everybody and i'm trying to stay on top

491
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:56,159
of this but that

492
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,280
that is not what i'm trying to get to

493
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:01,280
okay

494
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:03,280
bitcoin

495
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,440
here's the harsh reality okay because

496
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:09,600
i was very public about it

497
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:10,320
i

498
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:23,600
a dollar

499
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:26,559
well yeah being public is is pretty

500
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,520
tough

501
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,120
but if i'm wrong

502
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,520
okay so be it a little egg on the face

503
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:33,760
is okay once in a while but

504
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,880
again here's the harsh reality

505
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,760
bitcoin topped out at twenty thousand

506
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:41,679
eighty nine dollars per token on

507
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:44,480
december 17 2017.

508
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,960
the day after the day of disclosure

509
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,960
that record price

510
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,679
was a 24

511
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:56,159
600 percent return

512
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,760
in 52 short weeks it's amazing

513
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,080
but the coin nose died from those

514
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:04,320
all-time highs just as quickly as it

515
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:07,440
skyrocketed bitcoin is now roughly

516
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:11,919
34. i just told you 3 300 per token it's

517
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:13,120
90

518
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,120
below the record

519
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,600
from 2017.

520
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,640
meanwhile bitcoin's design

521
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:25,440
makes it harder and harder for its

522
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:28,720
miners to create another unit

523
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,240
bitcoin mining may not make any economic

524
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,080
sense anymore

525
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:36,400
the electricity needed

526
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:40,240
costs more than the coin

527
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:41,679
that's right

528
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,640
the tipping point has already passed for

529
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:46,559
many of those miners out there for

530
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,600
others

531
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,799
it will come

532
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,320
quickly

533
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,640
what will happen to the bitcoin market

534
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:54,880
when even the biggest and most efficient

535
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:57,760
mining operators can't justify creating

536
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,880
new tokens at some kind of unprofitable

537
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,240
payout rate

538
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,919
what's gonna happen

539
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:06,480
the most obvious outcome

540
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,760
it's gonna fade to black

541
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:12,080
according to a fresh report from jp

542
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,039
morgan

543
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:15,919
the average production cost is about

544
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:18,720
four thousand and sixty dollars it's

545
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,320
trading for thirty three hundred people

546
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,120
these expenses are based on using the

547
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,000
most efficient cryptocurrency mining

548
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:30,480
chips available so if you don't have the

549
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:33,760
most up-to-date tech you're out

550
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:37,280
can't afford it at this point

551
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,000
profitable mining is restricted almost

552
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,600
exclusively

553
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,679
to the chinese

554
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:45,919
and you know how the chinese do it they

555
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,960
tap in to other electrical sources

556
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:51,200
that's how they do it they make deals

557
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:52,000
with

558
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,000
factories and they're like hey man let

559
00:24:01,270 --> 00:23:58,240
us tap in and we'll pay you that's only

560
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,280
going to ride for so long you don't have

561
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:04,320
that luxury uh in other countries around

562
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,520
the world but

563
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,679
miners in places like iceland and the

564
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,320
czech republic are still increasing

565
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:12,159
their output and they're hoping to cash

566
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:12,960
in

567
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,480
it skyrockets back up to twenty thousand

568
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,159
dollars but for now

569
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,080
those operators can't really make ends

570
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,960
meet miners without a serious cash

571
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:26,000
cushion

572
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,159
right stuff is cash in their mattresses

573
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:31,919
they won't be able to keep the lights on

574
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,640
for much longer let alone eat

575
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,440
it's a natural thinning of the herd and

576
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:39,679
this is what is nuts

577
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:43,120
if bitcoin prices continue to drop

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it'll be a hard crash to zero and that

579
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hard crash to zero

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is going to come lightning quick

581
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because when the mining shuts down

582
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it would eventually become impossible to

583
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trade

584
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to transfer or to otherwise use bitcoin

585
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at all in other words bitcoin would

586
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truly become worthless

587
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in every sense of the word

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it'll just fade to black

589
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or maybe not

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let's say let's say the weak ones the

591
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ones

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they shut down

593
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right they leave the bitcoin mining

594
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business

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all together and

596
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and they turn it over to the chinese

597
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the rate of freshly minted bitcoin

598
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tokens will slow

599
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but it doesn't stop

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people and businesses continue

601
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to see some possible value right and

602
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maybe they use them for moving monetary

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assets

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right around the world clandestinely you

605
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know avoiding the banking system and

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according to the economic theory of

607
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supply and demand the way that i run my

608
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life

609
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i'm an american

610
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right if something is scarce

611
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,880
the value increases

612
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if the imbalance

613
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is lopsided enough

614
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,200
we're looking at the opportunity for

615
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another round of this skyrocketing

616
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,720
bitcoin prices but probably not

617
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this is what

618
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,240
uh they're hoping for in iceland and

619
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czechoslovakia they're hoping for that

620
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,159
right now

621
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:30,159
right they're hanging on they're

622
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continuing to mine bitcoin at a loss but

623
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,039
if it goes back up to 20 000 or more per

624
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coin what they are mining today could be

625
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worth billions of dollars

626
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,080
right so bitcoin right now is headed in

627
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the direction on a map

628
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:52,159
for a very very important test

629
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that's right

630
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bitcoin needs to prove it's it's worth

631
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it's real world worth

632
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:02,799
right is it a commodity

633
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:05,360
is it currency

634
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as a commodity it doesn't hold water as

635
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a currency what it was designed to be

636
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used for

637
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that's its worth

638
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,080
okay now i wonder i wonder when the next

639
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,799
dive downward like what just happened

640
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,880
right before the show is going to be the

641
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,159
last one

642
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:25,840
right well it's not going to recover it

643
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:30,080
it's just going to go straight down

644
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,240
but when it gets close to zero

645
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:38,789
i swear

646
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,320
i am seriously i'm in there's nothing

647
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:43,919
like loading up

648
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on a penny stock

649
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,200
just for giggles

650
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:50,880
wait a minute that's it

651
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,200
i just thought of something

652
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,440
we'll call it

653
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bit penny

654
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,240
this is fade to black i am your host

655
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jimmy church

656
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tonight

657
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michael schratt is here

658
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bit penny

659
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i wonder if michael's got some bitcoin

660
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i've got all the secret stuff

661
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secret files we've got some

662
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illustrations that are going to go up

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had a great meeting with him over the

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00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,760
all right welcome back

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i am your host jimmy church our guest

769
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tonight michael stratt tomorrow night

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very special surprise guest

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gonna announce that

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thursday night is open lines

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fader nights friday

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taking the day off

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housework

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friday and saturday i'm over at coast to

777
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coast am hosting all weekend over there

778
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trying to stay dry trying to stay warm

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tonight it's michael schrad

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he's a private pilot military aerospace

781
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,640
historian has lectured across the

782
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country on the unique subject of mystery

783
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,559
aircraft and classified propulsion

784
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,480
systems buried deep within the military

785
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:08,879
industrial complex guest speaker at

786
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oshkosh the air venture 2006 2007 event

787
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the world's largest air show michael has

788
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developed a number of contacts with

789
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which have first

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hand experience dealing with classified

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black programs including former usaf

792
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pilots retired navy personnel and

793
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aerospace engineers that have maintained

794
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a top secret sci security clearance in

795
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an effort to expose government fraud

796
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waste and abuse michael devotes much of

797
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his free time researching aerospace

798
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,240
technical documents

799
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,159
conducting interviews and traveling to

800
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multiple university archives

801
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,040
as a concerned citizen it's his belief

802
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,839
that it is our constitutional obligation

803
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to question authority and demand an

804
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accounting of unacknowledged special

805
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access programs that bypass

806
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congressional oversight and public

807
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scrutiny i would like to welcome back to

808
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fade to black mr michael schrad michael

809
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good evening how are you

810
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,599
hey jimmy thank you so much it's great

811
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,359
to be with you yeah and it was great

812
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hanging out with you this weekend and i

813
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,320
popped up a a picture of us

814
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:16,800
uh you know at a top secret starbucks

815
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,000
right so but but but i i tweeted it out

816
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,560
and the response from everybody was

817
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pretty cool and they didn't see me they

818
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didn't see you

819
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,349
okay yeah it's pretty funny what's in

820
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,520
the binder man i want to know what's in

821
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that it was pretty funny

822
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and uh yeah and you've got a lot of uh

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respect out there in the community and

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that kind of respect that you have you

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know it's earned you know it's it's it's

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something that uh you have fought long

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and hard for

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but but there's something that comes

829
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along with that michael and that is

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you have to choose your words wisely now

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because people look to you for

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intelligence they expect it right

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do you

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can't you can't ever step out of the box

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and be a doofus you got to be the smart

836
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,040
guy in the room all the time um i think

837
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,960
to a certain degree yes but

838
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,640
on the other hand i'm still below the

839
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,960
radar screen jimmy i'm still a small

840
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:21,440
prize and that's okay that's all right

841
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,200
is is that my intention by the way

842
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,520
um well that's okay i do this as a

843
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,000
crusade and i feel that

844
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,560
since a lot of these programs uh we've

845
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,640
already paid for it once uh why should

846
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,880
we pay for it again i feel that it

847
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:38,800
should be free of charge and that's what

848
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,839
i've done all my crossword puzzles my

849
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lectures youtube yeah everything i've

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done it's basically been free of charge

851
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and i feel that that's the way it should

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roll uh and you know we were talking

853
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kind of last saturday uh regarding

854
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classified programs what the air force

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has and kind of made the point that the

856
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,040
u.s air force is nothing more than a

857
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,000
temporary custodian of those assets

858
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,720
because we the taxpayer we own the

859
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,280
runways we own the buildings the hangars

860
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,359
the facilities the aircraft we pay for

861
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,119
the salary of the employees that work

862
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,760
there so we have every right to question

863
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,680
authority and that's my mandate

864
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,599
well and there's something else that

865
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:22,400
goes along with flying under the radar

866
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,680
they

867
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,839
you are able to

868
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,599
uh because

869
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,440
they're gonna talk to you

870
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:32,079
because you're not out there

871
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,960
uh

872
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:34,240
blabbing

873
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,599
right and and so you're able to to gain

874
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,079
confidence and that's that's probably

875
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,320
more important than anything because if

876
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:43,680
they think you're just going to run

877
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:46,880
around and and blow their cover or do

878
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:49,359
something that exposes them

879
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:50,800
then they're not going to talk to you

880
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,760
and your reputation is tarnished

881
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,680
that that is true that is true now when

882
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:57,440
you were reading that intro

883
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,240
um

884
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,640
i'm not lying when i said that you know

885
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,720
i actually have spoken to some of these

886
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,160
people people who've worked in black

887
00:38:08,589 --> 00:38:06,480
programs like people on the b2 stealth

888
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,599
program they have blue program the

889
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,040
f-117a stealth fighter i actually have

890
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,359
spoken to these people recorded them on

891
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,920
videotape so i've got their stories down

892
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,000
and uh you know a couple of them have

893
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,359
mentioned that they'd like to keep it

894
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,520
under wraps so that's what i've done

895
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,079
well and i've i i'm not gonna throw you

896
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,079
completely under the bus

897
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,920
but i'm gonna i'm gonna tell the

898
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,079
audience uh you know give them a little

899
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,200
insight of uh like

900
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,680
of like they are sitting there with us

901
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,440
so i sit down with mike and i go okay

902
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,200
man uh uh

903
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,720
uh first thing out about you know what

904
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,079
brings you to town

905
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,320
you're like man i'm researching i'm out

906
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,839
interviewing uh anybody that uh is

907
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,640
involved with uh the b2 program and

908
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,079
that's that's what you were down here

909
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:55,040
doing and that's correct that is one of

910
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,920
the

911
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:57,200
uh

912
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,160
you know it's

913
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,680
i hate to say this but it's like boots

914
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,800
on the ground

915
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,960
you know you can do stuff from your home

916
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,480
you can research on the internet but

917
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:05,920
it's another thing

918
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,680
to invest your time money resources and

919
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:12,000
getting out there and and reaching out

920
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:15,520
and here in burbank uh which is where

921
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,400
michael and i met uh was right here in

922
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,480
the middle of everything where all of

923
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,880
this stuff this is ground zero most

924
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,320
people think of burbank they think of

925
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,240
the entertainment industry

926
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,440
if you are in black projects right if

927
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:31,760
you're in the aviation industry

928
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,200
burbank is the center of that technology

929
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,720
and has been since uh since the very

930
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,440
very beginning

931
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:43,839
well since the skunk works was formed in

932
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,720
43 under kelly johnson yeah absolutely i

933
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,240
couldn't agree more

934
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,960
anywhere from san diego all the way up

935
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:53,440
the pacific coast highway into hawk on

936
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,880
into burbank

937
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,119
into air force point 42

938
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,200
edwards air force base and then mojave

939
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,359
at skill composite that whole area there

940
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,280
jimmy that aerospace alley that's the

941
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,119
most important part that we could focus

942
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,599
in on yeah and uh

943
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,000
the mojave the space complex and

944
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,640
lockheed and skunk works

945
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:14,880
that is just right up the road from

946
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,320
burbank it's

947
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:18,000
there's just mountains that are in

948
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,119
between

949
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:22,480
it's uh it's it's not but a 30 40 minute

950
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,839
drive it's it's right there

951
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:27,839
the other thing to keep in mind too is

952
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,960
the first flight of the have blue

953
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:33,280
prototype demonstrator took place

954
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,359
december 1st 1977 at area 51. ben rich

955
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,440
was there kelly johnson was there

956
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:41,599
think about how long that's been if

957
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,960
someone doesn't go around and preserve

958
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,400
an important part of our national

959
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,400
history we're going to lose it all yeah

960
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,400
we're going to lose it all because yep

961
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,880
in many cases the defense contractors

962
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,040
like boeing lockheed mcdonnell douglas

963
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,480
general dynamics

964
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,839
when they

965
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,240
are paid by the quote unquote customer

966
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,560
be it the air force or the cia when

967
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,560
they're paid when they're paid to do

968
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,319
something by the customer and the

969
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,400
customer says i want you to scrap this

970
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,280
program and scrap the details they throw

971
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:13,440
out everything even even if it's

972
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,880
something you know that was designed

973
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,040
in-house and everything if the customer

974
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,200
pays for it they throw it out that means

975
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,040
all the pictures the drawings the

976
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,880
illustrations the historical documents

977
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,720
all get shredded and this has happened

978
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,560
many many times and there's a lot of

979
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,079
these programs

980
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,000
that were born black dyed black we'll

981
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:31,760
never hear anything about it

982
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:35,200
now it's one thing to talk about

983
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,640
the b2

984
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:38,960
or the f117

985
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,440
and their shapes right they look ufo-ish

986
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,079
black triangles from a distance

987
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:48,720
uh it could be anything uh to the

988
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,200
untrained eye and they fly very quietly

989
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,119
most people don't understand that until

990
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,880
you hear them fly

991
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,319
uh

992
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,839
you're gonna see it but you're not gonna

993
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,119
hear it and certainly if it's

994
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,280
approaching you it's it you're not going

995
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:05,680
to hear until it's right overhead

996
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,440
um so a lot of these uh

997
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:12,480
black projects like the b2 and the 117

998
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,520
may have been confused for ufos in the

999
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:17,599
past i understand that i may have done

1000
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:20,800
that made the same mistake myself but

1001
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:24,480
that doesn't mean that the tr-3b

1002
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,359
and other black projects that resemble

1003
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,960
black triangles

1004
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,440
are out there flying and we don't know

1005
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,640
anything about it what do you think

1006
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:34,640
about that statement

1007
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,760
um well one way i would answer that and

1008
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,839
keep in mind that lockheed has their

1009
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,160
skunk works used to be at burbank now

1010
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,480
that it's over at air force plate 42

1011
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,040
actual plant 10 is where it's located

1012
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:49,920
but uh mcdonald douglas they had their

1013
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,640
own skunk works called the phantomworks

1014
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,720
uh general dynamics

1015
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:56,319
they have their own little skunk works

1016
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,520
too so

1017
00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:00,160
lockheed isn't the only player in this

1018
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:01,040
game

1019
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,720
uh the other thing to keep in mind and

1020
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,560
we've talked about this before jimmy are

1021
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,119
the significant statements made by ben

1022
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,079
rich before he passed away uh he was

1023
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:12,319
ahead of skunk works between 1975 to

1024
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:16,079
1991 uh really quickly here number one

1025
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,200
he said

1026
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,440
anything you can imagine the skunks orcs

1027
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:21,920
can do or has already done and then the

1028
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,319
other one was said in 1995 just before

1029
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,560
he passed away when jim goodall got a

1030
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,640
telephone uh call into him at the

1031
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,520
hospital there and jim goodall heard

1032
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:33,520
this directly from ben rich ben rick

1033
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,319
said

1034
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,160
we have things in the nevada desert that

1035
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:38,000
are 50 years beyond what you can

1036
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,839
comprehend if you've seen it on star

1037
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,520
wars or star trek we've been there done

1038
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:42,960
that or decided it wasn't worth the

1039
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,680
effort so the implications jimmy of what

1040
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,200
that means it's just

1041
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,240
staggering and it's coming from ben rich

1042
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,319
right and from directly from bank

1043
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:55,280
it's coming from ben rich and and he's

1044
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,960
and those those two quotes are amazing

1045
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:01,280
and that's just a portion of what ben

1046
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,400
rich has

1047
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,440
uh uh leaked out over the years in

1048
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,520
confidence with friends he has made some

1049
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,920
pretty incredible statements and i

1050
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,000
recommend everybody to go and read his

1051
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,960
book skunk works uh by ben rich there's

1052
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,640
uh some pretty amazing stories in there

1053
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,880
my favorite believe it or not my

1054
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,800
favorite part of the book

1055
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,119
was probably something that everybody

1056
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:25,040
else missed but it was

1057
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,160
they they

1058
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,599
kept uh

1059
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:28,480
uh

1060
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,440
sr-71

1061
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,800
were

1062
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,680
coming back with busted screws

1063
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,000
right and they couldn't figure out what

1064
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,640
was the tops of the screws were or

1065
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,640
breaking off in flight

1066
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,119
and they were looking at designs and it

1067
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:48,560
turned out

1068
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,240
that the drill bits that they were using

1069
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,240
had a chemical reaction with the

1070
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:57,599
titanium screws and weakened the screws

1071
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,400
right

1072
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,440
and and but what they had to go through

1073
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,359
because back then

1074
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,119
it you know there weren't computers

1075
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,680
these were drawing boards and t-squares

1076
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:08,960
and

1077
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,920
you know what i mean uh uh slide rules

1078
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,839
that's how they that's how they design

1079
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,359
those planes

1080
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,760
and uh so to go back and try to figure

1081
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,599
that out was trial and error they had to

1082
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,520
go back and figure it out but it was

1083
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,640
just a pretty solid insight about how

1084
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,720
crazy that program was and what they had

1085
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,720
to go through in the stress that they

1086
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,280
that they did it's such a great book now

1087
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:34,319
okay so that being said all of that

1088
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:35,920
being said

1089
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,720
uh i want to go back and focus on my

1090
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,000
question

1091
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:42,720
which is we have all of these special

1092
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,440
access programs we know

1093
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:46,960
especially when we look at some of the

1094
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,920
stuff that is out there today uh our new

1095
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:51,440
aircraft that are out

1096
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,640
um

1097
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,720
that there are aircraft that we

1098
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:56,480
certainly don't know about

1099
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,760
kelly johnson and and ben rich all had

1100
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,599
visions of the future they were

1101
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,839
designing many many many many years

1102
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:04,960
ahead

1103
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:07,839
were they are they working with

1104
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,800
anti-gravity are they working with some

1105
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:13,359
other propulsion systems where

1106
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:16,880
aerodynamics don't come into play

1107
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,760
uh well interesting that you mentioned

1108
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,160
that uh because and that kind of leads

1109
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,599
right in here since we're talking about

1110
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,760
lockheed we're talking about skunk works

1111
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,839
just wanna highlight that i've got two

1112
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,359
crossword puzzles

1113
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,920
that i've produced one covering ben rich

1114
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,599
in the skunk works the other one covers

1115
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,839
the northrop b2 stealth bomber i'm

1116
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,000
offering a five thousand dollar cash

1117
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:40,480
prize for anyone who can solve this

1118
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,760
puzzle before this sunday night 11 59

1119
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,160
p.m pacific time

1120
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,520
uh there's 116 clues on the first one

1121
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,359
which includes lockheed

1122
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,280
and uh you know we don't have time to go

1123
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:55,040
over all of them jimmy but i thought we

1124
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,720
could go over a couple of quick ones

1125
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,079
here and just kind of answer your

1126
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,480
question i've got one here that's under

1127
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:02,880
the subheading across now this is ben

1128
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:06,560
rich here uh quote aerospace design has

1129
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,440
passed the blank blank stage

1130
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,040
this is one of the clues here now if you

1131
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,520
think about what the answer to this is

1132
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:15,920
it ties in directly with your question

1133
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,319
aerospace design has passed the blank

1134
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,319
blank stage

1135
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,160
i'm not going to say what it is but uh

1136
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,000
that's just one of them so that's kind

1137
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:26,319
of an idea here do a couple more here

1138
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,079
really quickly uh 40 across the xfv one

1139
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,760
was this

1140
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,920
next one botched the designation of the

1141
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:35,440
blackbird

1142
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,880
kelly's unacknowledged 15th rule 43

1143
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,839
across

1144
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,920
this top secret bird could do a missed

1145
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,240
approach next one lockheed was not

1146
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,839
invited to this

1147
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,480
45 across lockheed facility which was

1148
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,280
expanded in 1985 and then the last one

1149
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,440
here provided then with initial funding

1150
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,200
for stealth programs so these are just

1151
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:57,599
kind of a quick few examples of this

1152
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,480
puzzle five thousand dollar cash prize

1153
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:01,839
first person to solve the puzzle

1154
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,480
correctly okay we will get the links up

1155
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,839
in twitter uh to uh the crosswords

1156
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:09,440
and uh

1157
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,119
the uh five thousand dollars by sunday

1158
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,319
yeah okay by 11 59 pm this sunday so

1159
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,000
michael sent me a couple of months ago

1160
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,880
he sent me a bob lazar crossword right

1161
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:22,880
with a thousand dollars attached to it i

1162
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,520
was like i got i got this

1163
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,160
i even i did not email you back on

1164
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:30,559
this is nothing and i said i'll donate

1165
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:32,839
the money right i was feeling pretty

1166
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,200
cocky didn't get it done man it was good

1167
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,359
that was a lot i'm not the only one i'm

1168
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,359
a big crossword guy

1169
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:44,480
um but yeah see this is

1170
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,839
what what do you make of uh okay at the

1171
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,520
top of the hour we're going to swing

1172
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,839
around everybody and we're going to talk

1173
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,079
about kufos kuvos

1174
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:56,800
uh jay allen heineck's research

1175
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,680
uh center up in evanston illinois that's

1176
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,119
all i'm going to say right there we're

1177
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,119
going to talk about project blue book

1178
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,599
and and and his cases but we're going to

1179
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,680
talk about that at the top of the hour

1180
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:09,119
but the

1181
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,760
the fact that michael that the tr-3b

1182
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,240
has been cited there are more black

1183
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:19,200
triangle sightings uh probably since

1184
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,240
belgium

1185
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,800
uh to this day of which i've had i've

1186
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,040
i've even photographed one myself

1187
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:27,520
there have been more sightings of that

1188
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,800
is the tr-3b us or theirs is it is it

1189
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,640
take take a look at the bottom under

1190
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,880
structure that's the most key

1191
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:38,480
piece of evidence here

1192
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,760
look at what the eyewitnesses are

1193
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,200
reporting

1194
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,880
a lot of these craft are tested on

1195
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,480
thursday nights

1196
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:47,359
and we're seeing the same thing over and

1197
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,800
over again we're getting these reports

1198
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,079
of pipes

1199
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,160
tubes cylinders

1200
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,000
multicolored flashing lights uh

1201
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:55,839
electrical humming noise like a

1202
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,480
transformer or sewing machine lights

1203
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,880
going off in sequence not just haphazard

1204
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,880
but the reds would go off the blues

1205
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,800
would go off the yellows would go off in

1206
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,240
sequence now that was the case on the

1207
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,160
hudson valley boomerang that was the

1208
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,640
case on the belgium triangle also the

1209
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,400
case on the southern illinois triangle

1210
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,480
january 5th 2000. so three different

1211
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,119
cases three different time frames all

1212
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,359
having this bottom under structure

1213
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,200
and we can go into details why this

1214
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:23,119
might be a man-made craft but

1215
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,119
uh really it appears that the cia the

1216
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,800
nsa the nro

1217
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,520
uh darpa they're trying to use the

1218
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,760
extraterrestrial phenomenon as a cover

1219
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:35,760
to hide their own deep black programs

1220
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,160
but that doesn't explain the entire

1221
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,319
phenomenon jimmy there's a there's a

1222
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,640
faction of this phenomenon that

1223
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,880
represents the core of reality and this

1224
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,480
is borne out by

1225
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:48,800
david marlar in his book triangular ufos

1226
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,240
where he has these 1878 cases in

1227
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,559
prehistory cases that also include

1228
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,040
triangles as well this long before kelly

1229
00:51:02,470 --> 00:50:59,200
johnson started the skunk works so it

1230
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,480
sounds are you suggesting

1231
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:03,839
that

1232
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:07,200
we are using et technology i mean if

1233
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,920
you're going back to 1878 and i've read

1234
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,920
those accounts too

1235
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:12,960
well

1236
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,680
that's that's predating everything

1237
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,760
as far as flight goes

1238
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:19,839
so what do we what do what are we

1239
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,520
suggesting here um i'm suggesting that

1240
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,280
to pin down

1241
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,200
the theory that we're using

1242
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:29,760
extraterrestrial technology in these

1243
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,960
vehicles is a very slippery slope

1244
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,119
i tend to err more on the side of good

1245
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,520
old-fashioned american ingenuity like

1246
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,000
the the f-117a we've got the whole

1247
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:42,480
backstory we know how it was done who

1248
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,920
was involved the backstory on it uh

1249
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:47,760
it's just good old-fashioned american

1250
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,559
ingenuity so that's the approach i like

1251
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,119
to take a much more terrestrial approach

1252
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:54,720
before jumping on something that's going

1253
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,520
to be a lot just more difficult to prove

1254
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:58,559
well

1255
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:01,440
uh the first time that i saw the f-117

1256
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,720
you and i talked about that over the

1257
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:04,720
weekend the first time that i saw it

1258
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,480
i i had no idea how it flew

1259
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,559
you know i just didn't i'm just looking

1260
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,040
at it and it kind of looks

1261
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,680
aerodynamic but not really

1262
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,240
it doesn't have all of those things that

1263
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,200
we would normally uh

1264
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,839
give towards a normal aircraft all of

1265
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,760
that stuff is gone

1266
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:26,880
and

1267
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,440
you know you can imagine i guess but it

1268
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,559
just doesn't look like it should fly

1269
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,640
sure sure well

1270
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,040
it did its thing now it's retired so you

1271
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:39,040
know they have something else and

1272
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,240
that's kind of the same thing that

1273
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:41,680
happened with the blackbird it was

1274
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,559
retired in 1990 and then they said that

1275
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,640
satellites could do the job that the

1276
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,079
blackbird could do

1277
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,760
but then the problem with that is

1278
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,000
satellites have predictable orbits and

1279
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:54,319
when they utilize their onboard fuel

1280
00:52:58,829 --> 00:52:55,839
their paper rates

1281
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:58,839
so by definition jimmy by

1282
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,680
default we need in either manned or

1283
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,160
unmanned system reconnaissance aircraft

1284
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,480
to supplement the satellites we can't

1285
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:09,119
just rely on satellites alone so just by

1286
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,480
that alone it tells you we've got

1287
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,240
something out there no doubt about it

1288
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:15,119
well what do we make of von braun and

1289
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,040
his uh research team with paperclip

1290
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,200
that we're saying things like well you

1291
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:23,119
know we had help

1292
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,040
you know from out there it it it seems

1293
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,880
it seems like either they're trying to

1294
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,720
throw us off the trail

1295
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,880
of where the technology is coming from

1296
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,960
or that this is a genuine whether it's

1297
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,160
from crashed

1298
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:39,280
uh retrieved uh you know flying disc or

1299
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,079
not

1300
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:42,640
or there's a trade in technology i don't

1301
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,520
know

1302
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:45,599
but it seems like we had uh some pretty

1303
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:48,720
dramatic leaps when it comes to flight i

1304
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:51,760
mean dramatic steps happened between

1305
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:54,640
1903 with the orville brothers

1306
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,440
going into world war ii it's like you

1307
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,040
know and it was only three and a half

1308
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,960
decades

1309
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:03,119
there's a little known report that was

1310
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,440
published in jane's defense weekly that

1311
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,440
highlights something called the dawson

1312
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,839
report i've never seen anything written

1313
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,079
in the american press about this but it

1314
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,319
was the report that british intelligence

1315
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,040
put together when they were vacuuming up

1316
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,920
all the stealth and low observable

1317
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,839
technology that were basically was

1318
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,599
procured by the third reich and that was

1319
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,520
put into three-ring binders and after

1320
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,760
the kennedy assassination it was sent to

1321
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:30,000
washington d.c and from that point

1322
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:31,040
forward

1323
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,880
there was a close liaison between the uk

1324
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,200
government and the united states on

1325
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,599
stealth technology it's it's long going

1326
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,240
and it goes back for decades so that

1327
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,400
just shows you that absolutely they have

1328
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,480
their own triangles as well they've got

1329
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,079
the technology too

1330
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,079
now and i don't want anybody to get

1331
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:52,880
confused about mr schrad here we're

1332
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,359
talking about special access programs

1333
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:58,079
and our design of aircraft but that has

1334
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:00,800
nothing to do with the uh his his

1335
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,920
research into ufos and what is going on

1336
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:06,160
there too as well two different subjects

1337
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,839
right mike

1338
00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:10,559
well two different subjects but i guess

1339
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:12,800
the 64 billion dollar question is are

1340
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,760
they converging are we using technology

1341
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,599
that's recovered and hopefully we can

1342
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,359
get into some of these crash retrieval

1343
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:21,599
cases and then also consider the kefos

1344
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,520
cases as well now to set up oh oh oh oh

1345
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,680
before we do that i want to get back to

1346
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,119
the plumbing

1347
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:30,960
right okay now

1348
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:34,240
um i looked at a bunch of reports uh

1349
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,280
with you one after another

1350
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:39,920
uh with eyewitnesses describing what

1351
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:44,480
they saw on the underside of these craft

1352
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,160
and it's one instance after another with

1353
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:51,280
nearly identical reports two tubing

1354
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,480
plumbing

1355
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,960
uh stuff it wasn't smooth skin

1356
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,319
underneath

1357
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,799
no no not at all not at all what would

1358
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,119
that be used for

1359
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,160
well instead of me just kind of making

1360
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,319
something up and

1361
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,920
going off of nothing let me give you the

1362
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,520
reference for this so that you don't

1363
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,040
think i'm just making this up this is

1364
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,440
inquirer philadelphia inquirer september

1365
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,359
28 1984

1366
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,920
they interviewed both dennis fant

1367
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,760
and monica driscoll these are the

1368
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:21,680
primary eyewitnesses on the hudson

1369
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,400
valley boomerang case so let me hit you

1370
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,040
with what dennis sent here his sighting

1371
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,599
was march 17 1983.

1372
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,280
here's what he said

1373
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,839
describing the craft here uh as it

1374
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:36,720
hovered i could make out dark smokey

1375
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:39,359
colored metallic beans underneath huge

1376
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:41,839
huge eye beans okay so that's dennis

1377
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:44,079
said and then monika driscoll here this

1378
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:45,440
is what she said

1379
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,559
um

1380
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,200
it's solid it had metal type work like

1381
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,520
cross beams and tubular things hanging

1382
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,680
down here and there i was so close i

1383
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,760
could have thrown a ball and hit it and

1384
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:57,839
we just keep hearing it again and again

1385
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,400
give me the same type under structure on

1386
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,920
all these different crafts

1387
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,920
well and you're an aircraft historian

1388
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:05,520
and when you hear a description like

1389
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:06,640
that

1390
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,599
um

1391
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:09,280
it sounds like

1392
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,079
human engineering i guess that something

1393
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:15,440
is externally mounted but it feels like

1394
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,799
um a cooling system radiator is what

1395
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,319
comes to mind

1396
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,400
well if you saw events correct yes she

1397
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,880
was with her daughter also named monique

1398
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,799
and they were near kent new york and

1399
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,200
they actually followed a light

1400
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,440
to a place called white pond

1401
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,200
this boomerang shaped craft flew

1402
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directly over their car

1403
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,680
uh it was a ce2 case because there was

1404
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electrical static on the radio when this

1405
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thing hovered over a frozen pond it did

1406
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a flat 180 degree turn and looked back

1407
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at them and then started shining these

1408
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:50,240
multi-colored lights on the bottom of

1409
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the crap and so you could see the

1410
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reflection of the lights on the frozen

1411
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cotton below

1412
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,280
uh and she said that these things went

1413
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,079
off in sequence she could see vent work

1414
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,920
like hvac vents

1415
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pipes cylinders tubes

1416
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,440
jimmy we're looking at a man-made

1417
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technology here let's take a break right

1418
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:10,960
here michael and everybody michael

1419
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:13,839
schratt is the guest when we come back

1420
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,400
we're going to talk about well what what

1421
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,799
he has and where he got it

1422
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that's the story and i'll let michael

1423
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tell it it's absolutely fascinating this

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is fade to black our guest tonight

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church on fade to black across the globe

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1544
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,079
welcome back fade to black i am your

1545
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,920
host jimmy church our guest tonight

1546
01:04:17,390 --> 01:04:16,160
michael schratt

1547
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,400
ufo researcher

1548
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:18,960
[Music]

1549
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:23,349
and

1550
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over the weekend

1551
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i sat down

1552
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:28,640
with michael we had a great meeting and

1553
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,440
we started to talk about

1554
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:33,440
project blue book which is the new

1555
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:35,599
series that is out on history channel

1556
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:38,400
right now centered on the life and times

1557
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:41,280
of uh j alan heineck

1558
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,319
and i'm sure with all the publicity and

1559
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,559
marketing that uh history channel has

1560
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,160
put into this that their ratings are

1561
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probably pretty solid they certainly

1562
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were on the first night i'm i'm not so

1563
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,559
sure where the the ratings are today but

1564
01:05:02,470 --> 01:04:58,720
they put a lot of

1565
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of work into this series and for jay

1566
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allen heineck

1567
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:05,520
um

1568
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:08,319
and his family to put it all out there

1569
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:11,440
it now the public perception of jay

1570
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:14,079
allen heinek uh michael

1571
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:15,200
is

1572
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it's all real parts of it are for sure

1573
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,160
um but i i'm not

1574
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:30,000
i'm not convinced that

1575
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:32,640
that uh jay allen heineck is uh crashed

1576
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:36,559
in a in a plane uh doing uh research on

1577
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,200
a on a ufo case but nonetheless

1578
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:41,599
um he's somebody that's fascinating that

1579
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:44,000
we all look up to

1580
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:44,799
that

1581
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:47,039
his research center which was in

1582
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evanston illinois

1583
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,440
uh 10 years ago

1584
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:53,839
you went down and visited

1585
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:56,079
i'm gonna hand the story off to you what

1586
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happened

1587
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,079
okay well uh

1588
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:02,480
that's that's no problem we can do that

1589
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:04,319
yeah right around 10 years ago when i

1590
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was living in

1591
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illinois uh every sunday i drive to 2457

1592
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west peterson avenue

1593
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where they had the center for ufo

1594
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:14,400
studies

1595
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:17,520
uh jalen heineck passed away in 86 so i

1596
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,160
never got to meet him but mark rodiger

1597
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,559
was basically the curator of the

1598
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:24,400
collection there now the first thing i

1599
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:26,240
noticed when i was there is that it's a

1600
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:29,119
completely underused resource

1601
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:31,599
out of the three years that i was there

1602
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:34,240
you know kind of on a weekly basis i

1603
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:36,480
found there was just nobody there jimmy

1604
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:39,359
it was being totally underused so out of

1605
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:42,079
that time period uh i went through at

1606
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,119
least

1607
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:45,760
40 to 50 000 cases there

1608
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:48,720
dating back to the ghost rockets all the

1609
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:50,960
way up to modern times and i picked out

1610
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:52,880
only the cases

1611
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:54,880
that had a sketch

1612
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,880
detailed sketch and a report from the

1613
01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:58,480
eyewitness to go with it the other ones

1614
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,839
i didn't care about i only wanted

1615
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,200
something that would have meat on the

1616
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:04,319
bones and the goal was

1617
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,440
to generate a 3d color illustration of

1618
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:09,680
the case and then have a nice line

1619
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,359
drawing to go with it to make the case

1620
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:13,680
come alive and my thought is that if

1621
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:15,599
someone doesn't go preserve an important

1622
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,200
part of our national history we'll lose

1623
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,680
all of us a lot of these cases were dead

1624
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:21,440
and buried for 40 years had never even

1625
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:22,799
been seen so

1626
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:24,400
hopefully we can go over some of those

1627
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:26,799
cases today what i'd like to do though

1628
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:28,960
is before we get into those i'd like to

1629
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:30,880
jimmy i'd like to hit you with ten crash

1630
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:33,440
retrieval cases okay uh before we get to

1631
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:35,839
that yeah we're gonna do that right now

1632
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:36,960
um

1633
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:40,319
but when you what is it like michael

1634
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:42,319
take me through that when you're looking

1635
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:43,119
at

1636
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:51,920
and and

1637
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:54,240
what goes through your mind at about 16

1638
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:58,160
16 uh very packed uh file drawers and

1639
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:59,839
then when i say pack i mean when you

1640
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:02,000
open them up you cannot put a razor

1641
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,839
blade between the cases

1642
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,920
that's how tightly packed these were and

1643
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:07,440
it was just a matter of going through

1644
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,079
each one of these one by one and i just

1645
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,839
opened it up i looked at the case i

1646
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:13,440
looked at the text if it didn't have a

1647
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,960
sketch i put it right back in i don't

1648
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:16,799
have time to you know go through

1649
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:19,120
anything else it had to have something

1650
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,239
that had a detailed drawing illustration

1651
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,400
some type of uh drawing to go with it

1652
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,319
with those i pulled out those and out of

1653
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:28,880
all those cases i made it came up with

1654
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:32,000
maybe 120 uh really good cases that had

1655
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,759
a drawing and text to go with it and

1656
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:36,000
that's really the bottom line was it uh

1657
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,759
done by year how are they filed oh yeah

1658
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,279
they're they're they're done by a year

1659
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,040
for sure oh yeah they're all organized

1660
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:44,880
so what did you do what did you do did

1661
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:48,159
you i would have started right at 1947

1662
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,520
right

1663
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,839
did you go i started in there and then i

1664
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,279
kind of went around the hudson valley

1665
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,679
boomerang area but i covered the entire

1666
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,040
place not only that i did all the

1667
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,199
periodicals i did the books

1668
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:01,359
anything that i felt might be important

1669
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:02,799
and they let me and they let me do it

1670
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:04,480
they let me do it they granted me access

1671
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:08,000
which i'm in debt to them because uh

1672
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,759
i was able to pull out some pretty good

1673
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,600
information that i don't think has ever

1674
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,199
been seen they

1675
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:15,440
it was just basically sitting there for

1676
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:17,600
40 years and nothing was

1677
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:19,359
nothing was being done with it so i

1678
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:20,640
thought let's let's make these come

1679
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:23,279
alive and that was the goal i i was

1680
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:26,080
sitting there uh with you

1681
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:29,359
and i'm holding these copies of the

1682
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:30,480
originals

1683
01:09:35,149 --> 01:09:32,080
you know with these

1684
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:35,159
crazy dates on it right you know a

1685
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,359
1967 case

1686
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:39,920
and i'm holding the original stuff it

1687
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:43,600
blew my mind and i'm holding a copy

1688
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,400
you were there going through one case

1689
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:48,640
after another and i just can't imagine

1690
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:51,120
for three years that is just

1691
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,440
uh it took a long time i could only do

1692
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:55,280
it on sunday so that's why i took so

1693
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,880
long so but since we're on this subject

1694
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,239
let me hit you with one right here now

1695
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:00,400
this is sent to jail and heineken

1696
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,719
january 17th 2005 way after

1697
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,960
he passed away here so i've got a copy

1698
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:08,560
of his handwritten letter and his

1699
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,719
hand-drawn sketch which i thought was

1700
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,239
really interesting what this gentleman

1701
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,320
described is jimmy

1702
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:16,560
uh and i'm just gonna go right to what

1703
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:19,360
he's got here on his notations

1704
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:21,679
he describes seeing keep in mind this is

1705
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:25,120
march 5th 2003 helena missouri

1706
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,080
and he describes seeing a very large

1707
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,400
triangular ship ufo that was one

1708
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,159
football field in length

1709
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,080
it had this cross beam and girder

1710
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,480
construction like a truss bridge

1711
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:38,880
and it had a large fluorescent light on

1712
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,199
the bottom but then he said jimmy that

1713
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,600
the whole thing was fastened by rusty

1714
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:45,600
bridge rivets he was kind of like

1715
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,280
comparing them to something you might

1716
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:49,360
see on the golden gate bridge

1717
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,040
and then he said and i got the notation

1718
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,159
here this is nine uh 9 50 p.m

1719
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:56,400
it lasted about 10 minutes

1720
01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:59,440
here's what he said quote craft caused

1721
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:02,480
pictures to fall off living room wall

1722
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,159
and shook entire house as it passed by

1723
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,320
structure of craft resembled an old

1724
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,640
truss bridge with rusted metal and

1725
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:12,640
vintage arab rivets

1726
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,280
so jimmy uh in your professional

1727
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:17,280
assessment do you feel that we're

1728
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:20,960
looking at an alien spacecraft here

1729
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,000
see

1730
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,239
i can go both ways on that and you know

1731
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:26,400
why it can go both ways

1732
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:27,679
if uh

1733
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:28,880
something

1734
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,880
uh crossed space for

1735
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,640
10 000 years

1736
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,440
does it still look brand new and then at

1737
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:39,600
the end of that journey it goes through

1738
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:42,880
our atmosphere and gets a little toasty

1739
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:46,000
uh so i could go both ways and then the

1740
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:49,440
other side of it it sounds very very

1741
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:51,679
terrestrial like he recognized what he

1742
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:54,560
was looking at it didn't seem alien to

1743
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:57,120
him so i could go either way

1744
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,480
yeah yep

1745
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:00,400
i agree and that's not the only one

1746
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,480
we've got other cases within the qfos

1747
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:04,640
files that also

1748
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,120
identify these rivets on the bottom of

1749
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,280
these crap like battleship steel being

1750
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,040
fastened by rivets

1751
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,960
we've got those cases as well i pulled

1752
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,400
those out of the q folds archives as

1753
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,040
well so there's at least 12 cases that

1754
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,520
identify that kind of a technology

1755
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,280
within the file itself

1756
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:23,679
um what do you think uh and then i want

1757
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:26,159
to get to these uh these 10 crash

1758
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:29,120
retrieval cases um you've been watching

1759
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,719
project blue book um i find it very cool

1760
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:34,480
it's very entertaining

1761
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:37,440
if you take it at that level you're in a

1762
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:40,400
safe zone right okay you're in a safe

1763
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:43,679
zone what uh what's your take on uh the

1764
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,440
new series

1765
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:47,920
i actually like it i i think the period

1766
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:50,239
correctness of the uh documentary

1767
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,199
docudrama i think that fits the the form

1768
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,080
fit and function seems to go the acting

1769
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,719
is is pretty solid all in all i like it

1770
01:13:01,270 --> 01:13:00,320
i like it i think they're doing a great

1771
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:01,280
job

1772
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:02,880
you know they've kind of missed the boat

1773
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:05,440
even richard dolan had chimed in on this

1774
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,760
and some of the accuracy of the way

1775
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,920
they've portrayed these cases was

1776
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,440
certainly off and

1777
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,760
frank furschino will will certainly back

1778
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:15,600
up on this regarding the

1779
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,320
flatwood monster case but all in all i

1780
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:20,080
think they're doing a pretty good job

1781
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:24,320
you uh also just recently met with uh uh

1782
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:26,560
alan's son paul right

1783
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:28,239
that is correct that is correct and

1784
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:31,440
what's what's paul's take on the series

1785
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:34,080
um i didn't ask him about the series but

1786
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:35,520
we definitely covered some of his

1787
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:37,920
father's cases it was kind of like i

1788
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:40,560
delivered some mail to him that was

1789
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,640
addressed to his father that was 40

1790
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:43,760
years late

1791
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,760
so hopefully he was glad to get some of

1792
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,040
those cases

1793
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,920
right right well we'll see uh the next

1794
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,600
episode uh

1795
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,520
it aired last night

1796
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,600
did did i miss it oh the next episode

1797
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,159
airs tonight tonight so i will check it

1798
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,640
out after the show tonight okay these

1799
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:03,040
are ten uh cases

1800
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:05,040
uh let's start

1801
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,120
um i've got a list here is it the same

1802
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:09,760
as what i'm looking at

1803
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,520
um you should be looking at the same

1804
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,600
thing now i don't think i broken down in

1805
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:15,840
detail for you but i definitely want to

1806
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,239
talk about some of these cases here now

1807
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:20,480
uh the reference for this comes from the

1808
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,120
leonard stringfield dictation notes

1809
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:24,960
so that's the reference for this and

1810
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:26,560
just so that we can get the ball rolling

1811
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,719
on this now the first case

1812
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:30,560
involves a u.s marine

1813
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,480
who claims in 1963 december 1963 he

1814
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:36,960
guarded a flying saucer at an

1815
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:39,520
undisclosed location for two weeks a

1816
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,719
little bit of background on this

1817
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:42,640
gentleman he's married with four

1818
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,679
children

1819
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:46,000
when this occurred he was in his late

1820
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:49,679
40s so maybe 47 or 48 at the time he was

1821
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:53,280
a u.s marine between 1960 to 1966 he was

1822
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,480
a corporal

1823
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:56,640
and his mos

1824
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:59,280
or military occupational specialty was

1825
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:01,600
in weapons technology okay so that's

1826
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,440
kind of a basic uh background on this

1827
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:05,760
gentleman right so he claims that he

1828
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:08,320
boarded this plane with so you can just

1829
01:15:11,350 --> 01:15:10,239
get the sight picture here it had no

1830
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:11,360
windows

1831
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:15,760
and he flew with a few other guards

1832
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:18,159
three hours from cherry point north

1833
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:22,000
carolina mcas marine corps air station

1834
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:25,040
to an undisclosed location to this day

1835
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:27,040
he would not reveal where it was so i

1836
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,239
don't know where it was it could have

1837
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,320
been a naval facility could have been a

1838
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,719
u.s air force facility but he would not

1839
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:35,280
reveal the location of where this went

1840
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:36,239
down

1841
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:37,760
so i'm thinking okay

1842
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:40,000
cherry point north carolina three hours

1843
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:41,760
where would that take you

1844
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:43,840
well it could take it is somewhere on

1845
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:46,640
the west western states that's perhaps

1846
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:48,719
within range um now i'm not saying this

1847
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:51,280
took place at area 51 but three hours

1848
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:52,640
from that location

1849
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:55,760
that might get you in the nevada

1850
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:57,920
uh southern california region it's

1851
01:16:02,390 --> 01:15:59,760
possible well it depends on what kind of

1852
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:02,400
plane too if you're using a prop yeah uh

1853
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:03,520
yeah it could have been it could have

1854
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:04,640
been right

1855
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:10,480
he didn't say what kind of plane it was

1856
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,600
um

1857
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:13,600
so now when he arrived

1858
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,320
he was brought into the this facility

1859
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:18,880
and he was basically told to guard this

1860
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:20,719
flying saucer that was 40 feet in

1861
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:24,239
diameter 15 feet at the center portion

1862
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:26,880
was the thickness there for two weeks

1863
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:30,239
and he was granted an interim top secret

1864
01:16:34,229 --> 01:16:32,239
security clearance

1865
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,239
uh he didn't know if this was a new

1866
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:36,480
crash retrieval or if this was something

1867
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:39,120
they had for many years but later on i

1868
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:40,800
think we'll see that it perhaps could

1869
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,880
have been a new crash retrieval uh it

1870
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:44,800
was completely seamless it had a

1871
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,440
polished aluminum exterior surface it

1872
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,159
looked like a hamburger jimmy it had

1873
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,400
kind of like a hamburger configuration

1874
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:54,480
now this thing was propped up

1875
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:56,719
about five feet off the floor with these

1876
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:00,320
wooden planks and again and again and

1877
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:02,320
again i'm getting these reports of these

1878
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,520
flying saucers that are examined by u.s

1879
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,440
technicians that are being propped up on

1880
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:09,679
planks at least five separate stories of

1881
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:12,400
the same type uh description here

1882
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:13,920
now here's the other thing

1883
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:16,960
they had built a series of scaffolding

1884
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:19,520
around this entire craft so that these

1885
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:21,920
white lab coat technicians could see

1886
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,640
this thing up close at eye level so they

1887
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:26,159
could get a real good look at this so

1888
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:27,760
you can imagine the scaffolding that

1889
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,080
they built around this thing now he said

1890
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:32,880
that there were seams on the bottom that

1891
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,120
made up what looked like an entry hatch

1892
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,199
but jimmy he said that these seams were

1893
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,840
so close you could not put a razor blade

1894
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:41,679
between them they were completely

1895
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:43,040
integrated into the bottom of the

1896
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:45,679
vehicle the same type description we

1897
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:48,320
hear at the giza plateau where you have

1898
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:51,600
these uh limestone granite blocks you

1899
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,600
couldn't put a razor blade in the center

1900
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:55,520
that's exactly how this gentleman

1901
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,400
described this thing so no landing gear

1902
01:18:03,669 --> 01:18:00,960
no landing gear no no landing don't just

1903
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:03,679
picture just picture a hamburger

1904
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:06,400
and this thing has uh that's 40 feet in

1905
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:09,120
diameter 15 feet thick at the center it

1906
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,440
kind of tapers near the end so it's kind

1907
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:13,520
of an elliptical thing it had these

1908
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,320
opaque smoky colored elliptical shaped

1909
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,320
windows running around the outer

1910
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,239
circumference of the vehicle

1911
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:22,320
and there was a one-inch lip he made it

1912
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:23,520
very clear

1913
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:27,840
between the outer exterior of the

1914
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,120
vehicle itself and the outer exterior of

1915
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:33,520
these windows this small little one-inch

1916
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:35,199
lip there

1917
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,080
uh it had no landing gear no fins no

1918
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:40,400
exhaust ports no visible means of

1919
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:41,760
propulsion

1920
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:44,159
he witnessed at least a group of

1921
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:46,719
technical crews wearing these white lab

1922
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:48,560
coat technician coats that were trying

1923
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:50,480
to gain access to the interior of the

1924
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:51,440
craft

1925
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:54,560
and the entire facility had a

1926
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:57,520
color-coded security areas in different

1927
01:19:01,030 --> 01:19:00,239
locations within this facility and that

1928
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,040
was

1929
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,360
linked up to the badges that these

1930
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:05,199
personnel were wearing for instance as

1931
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:07,440
an example if you had a red colored

1932
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,000
badge you were given total access to the

1933
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,560
entire facility and the craft itself

1934
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:14,400
now here's what they started doing jimmy

1935
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:15,840
they tried to breach the whole of this

1936
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:16,880
craft

1937
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,440
they originally tried diamond tip drill

1938
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:21,679
bits that didn't work

1939
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,480
then they went with cutting torches

1940
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,719
so these technicians would put this

1941
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:29,040
torch on the skin of the craft near the

1942
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,080
bottom and he was told later that it did

1943
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:34,000
get hot to the touch but then when they

1944
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,360
moved it away

1945
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,600
it made no effect whatsoever and i

1946
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:39,679
thought wouldn't this be interesting to

1947
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,560
the pentagon and defense contractors

1948
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,800
when they want to design aircraft using

1949
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,800
this skin technology

1950
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:48,480
impervious to

1951
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:51,840
enemy fire at any cost

1952
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:54,239
they finally brought into these 18

1953
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:55,840
wheeler tractor trailer trucks with

1954
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:58,640
these massive generators on board the

1955
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:00,719
flatbed that had these two thick

1956
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:02,400
electrical cables that went in this

1957
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:04,080
facility and they were trying to use

1958
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,360
lasers

1959
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:07,520
to bridge the whole of this craft they

1960
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:10,560
tried five times on the seams and then

1961
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:13,600
one time on the lower left hand portion

1962
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:15,120
of the craft

1963
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:17,440
and when they shown this laser on this

1964
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:18,800
bottom section

1965
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,360
it bounced off and reflect off the

1966
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,280
curved section and hit their ceiling

1967
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:25,360
rafters and did some damage to jimmy

1968
01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:28,560
according to this marine

1969
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:30,640
and so this is what he's describing here

1970
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:34,320
now did did you mention a hatch

1971
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:37,120
uh yes he well he said he could see what

1972
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:39,199
looked like the outline of an entry

1973
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:42,159
hatch on the bottom third of the craft

1974
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,320
but they never got through it they tried

1975
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:46,560
to breach it but they couldn't get did

1976
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:49,760
did they ever have access

1977
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:51,679
yeah i want to get into that it doesn't

1978
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:52,719
appear

1979
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:54,880
that they ever got in that's why i think

1980
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,719
that this was a new crash retrieval

1981
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:58,800
because why would they let this thing

1982
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,040
sit for decades if without trying to

1983
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:03,440
breach the hull so it appears don't know

1984
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,040
for sure but it appears that this is a

1985
01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:07,440
new cr case now here's the interesting

1986
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:09,679
thing there was a white

1987
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:12,880
circle that was taped off on the floor

1988
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:15,360
directly under the outer circumference

1989
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,280
of this vehicle

1990
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:19,199
and basically he was told

1991
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,760
to shoot to kill anyone who tries to

1992
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:23,600
breach this circle

1993
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:25,760
uh air force generalists were not

1994
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:29,280
allowed to cross and he had to stop a

1995
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,600
secretary of the navy from crossing the

1996
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,760
line this gentleman was within seconds

1997
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:35,520
of being shocked

1998
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,560
and uh

1999
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:38,320
i actually tracked this down so this

2000
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:41,440
happened december 1963 literally weeks

2001
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:43,440
after kennedy was assassinated on

2002
01:21:48,630 --> 01:21:46,560
november 22 1963

2003
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:48,640
uh it turns out the secretary of the

2004
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:52,880
navy at that time was november 2nd 1963

2005
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,239
no through november 28 1967 was a man by

2006
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:58,560
the name of paul h mintz he died in

2007
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:01,199
2004. so jimmy this could have been the

2008
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:04,239
exact gentleman that tried to breach

2009
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:06,639
this outer right-hand circle that was uh

2010
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:09,440
hidden on the floor hmm now this this

2011
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,480
was in 1963 when did stringfield uh take

2012
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,560
the report

2013
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:16,880
uh let's see

2014
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:19,840
probably around 86 86 that would have

2015
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,280
been the time frame that had been the

2016
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:23,520
time frame that is a fascinating case

2017
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:25,840
okay let's go to uh

2018
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:28,320
that's absolutely incredible um and

2019
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:31,280
let's jump uh to 1951.

2020
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:32,159
uh

2021
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:35,120
lee roy gordon cooper oh okay

2022
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:37,040
okay okay let's continue down the road

2023
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:38,320
here we got a little bit more to go on

2024
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:40,880
this one um so that was the

2025
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,520
the secretary of the navy the last day

2026
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,080
that he was there he saw them putting

2027
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:48,880
this craft on an 18-wheeler flat boy

2028
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:51,199
truck and they were putting tarps and

2029
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,719
chains over the top

2030
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:54,960
and they were moving it to put from

2031
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:57,440
place to place from base to base and

2032
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:59,840
jimmy it appears that that's one way

2033
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:02,000
that they're able to keep security

2034
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:03,600
lockdown on these because they never

2035
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,080
keep any one vehicle at any one place at

2036
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:07,920
one time they keep moving these things

2037
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,480
from place to place right right um

2038
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:12,800
yep and he was told you know when he saw

2039
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:14,960
all this taking place

2040
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:17,520
he was told you saw nothing

2041
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:19,679
and uh he knew of a few other crash

2042
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:22,000
retrieval cases that he heard second

2043
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:24,400
hand from some of the technicians and

2044
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:27,280
one included a case where uh three

2045
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:28,880
bodies were pulled from the craft they

2046
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:31,920
were 39 inches tall they had no thumbs

2047
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:34,000
and he said quote we've got quite a few

2048
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:36,239
bodies in craft now

2049
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:38,400
and he heard civilian scientists talking

2050
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:41,600
about quote-unquote aliens in this coded

2051
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,159
jargon and he finally put two and two

2052
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,760
together and that's when it dawned on

2053
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:46,800
him that

2054
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:48,400
they weren't dealing with a man-made

2055
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:51,360
craft this was a reverse engineering

2056
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,679
program it finally down dawned on him at

2057
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:55,040
that time

2058
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:56,000
uh

2059
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:58,000
the craft was being

2060
01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:00,159
moved to an underground facility that he

2061
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,239
was told in the western united states

2062
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:04,080
and it's known only by its grid

2063
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:05,920
coordinates so i don't think it's area

2064
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:08,960
51 i think it's something else like

2065
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:13,199
2282 or something or a uh a lat and long

2066
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:14,880
designation that's what i think he was

2067
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,719
referring to here

2068
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:18,400
this particular

2069
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:22,639
he was told this craft that he was

2070
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:25,520
guarded was going to he said featured

2071
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:28,800
these sliding panels with vegetation on

2072
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,280
top to camouflage its location and when

2073
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:33,600
the doors opened they revealed these

2074
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:35,600
heli pads that lowered into the ground

2075
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,320
like these aircraft carrier elevators

2076
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,760
that's what he said that this was part

2077
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:42,239
of and then upon release he had to sign

2078
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:44,960
a 10-10 agreement meaning that he'd have

2079
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:48,080
a 10-year prison term and a 10 000 fine

2080
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,560
if he talked about what he saw

2081
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:52,320
and just quickly i want to talk about

2082
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:55,120
morality that he discussed as well first

2083
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:57,679
of all jimmy he doesn't feel blank he

2084
01:25:02,390 --> 01:24:59,920
does not feel that the world would freak

2085
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,400
out if the governments of the world

2086
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,320
disclose the truth about ufos he

2087
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:06,560
absolutely does not feel that there'd be

2088
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:09,520
a massive freak out whatsoever but then

2089
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,040
he also said which i think is

2090
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:13,600
interesting and timely

2091
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,679
that if the bodies in the craft were put

2092
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,960
on display

2093
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,880
there'd be a cross section of society

2094
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:20,400
that would stay at home and watch

2095
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:24,159
football just like the super bowl sunday

2096
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,520
really

2097
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,600
yup that's what he thought so what this

2098
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:29,520
means and i've tried to bring this up in

2099
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:32,159
other interviews as well is that

2100
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:36,320
from our own u.s military officer us

2101
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,360
marine

2102
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:39,920
we we have been green lighted for

2103
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:43,440
disclosure so the the nsa the cia the

2104
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:46,400
nro uh all their spook groups you're

2105
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:48,239
clear to go you're cleared for launch we

2106
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:50,080
have been green-lighted for disclosure

2107
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,679
let's roll on this

2108
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:53,280
during the bush administration they had

2109
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,880
something jimmy called the cosmic

2110
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:57,199
journey you might have recalled this

2111
01:26:02,229 --> 01:25:59,120
where there was this plan to

2112
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:02,239
uh have a very interesting exhibit that

2113
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,360
included crash retrieval bodies ufos

2114
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:07,440
debris and it was going to go from state

2115
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:08,480
to state

2116
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:11,199
maybe even country to country and brief

2117
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,040
the general public on what they knew

2118
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:15,440
about ufos it never happened it never

2119
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,880
happened

2120
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:18,400
so what i thought is

2121
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:20,159
yeah go ahead go ahead

2122
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:21,760
we've got one minute before the break

2123
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:24,320
michael go ahead okay okay that's fine

2124
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:26,960
all right now he was asked uh what did

2125
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,280
they learn what were the lessons learned

2126
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,239
about this and his quote was not much

2127
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,159
so that leads me to believe that jimmy

2128
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:36,639
they never even got inside this thing

2129
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,800
they never with the diamond trip drills

2130
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:41,040
with the cutting torches with the lasers

2131
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,639
they never even got in the breach the

2132
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:44,400
hole so there wasn't many lessons

2133
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:46,639
learned according to this marine

2134
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:50,400
there are when you go and and jump on uh

2135
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,920
google earth

2136
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:54,000
and and take a look across the united

2137
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:55,679
states and get you know get west of the

2138
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:56,960
mississippi

2139
01:27:02,070 --> 01:26:59,679
there are bases upon bases upon bases

2140
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:02,080
out in the middle of nowhere

2141
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:04,800
of course and and here in southern

2142
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:08,719
california you jump around uh not only

2143
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,040
uh the military stuff and look at china

2144
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:13,199
lake china like the largest naval base

2145
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:14,639
in the world and it's in the middle of

2146
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:17,520
the desert right there's a drop of water

2147
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:18,400
there

2148
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:19,600
uh but

2149
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:22,239
um the private corporations that have

2150
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:24,480
all of their research facilities

2151
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:26,719
and and radar installations and what

2152
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,719
they are doing that they they they're

2153
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:30,960
bris it's bristling it's it's all over

2154
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,199
the place so the opportunity to jump

2155
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:36,320
from base to base and not uh

2156
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,800
not be seen doing it yeah absolutely i

2157
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:40,719
totally agree with you yeah there's

2158
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:43,760
hundreds and hundreds of them

2159
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:46,239
yep it could be anywhere anywhere within

2160
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:49,520
that three hour radius by plane so

2161
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:51,040
uh that

2162
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,120
just could be maybe somewhere

2163
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,280
further southern east uh mcdale air

2164
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,280
force base area something in there but

2165
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,280
one of the couple less points and we'll

2166
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:01,280
wrap this particular case up though is

2167
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:03,840
that before this thing was shipped out

2168
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,840
and one time when he was alone within

2169
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,159
this facility jimmy he took out his

2170
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:10,320
small minox camera and he took a

2171
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:12,840
photograph of this thing and where is

2172
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:17,120
it it was lost in a flood back in 83

2173
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:18,639
however uh

2174
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:21,360
i was able to secure um

2175
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,080
detailed copies of his original

2176
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:26,639
hand-drawn sketches of this craft

2177
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:29,120
directly from the marine and then um

2178
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,960
what i've done is i'm not waiting for

2179
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:32,400
the government to disclose the

2180
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:34,000
information you know we got to get

2181
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,360
drastic with this if we don't do

2182
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:37,920
something drastic uh we're going to lose

2183
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:39,760
our history so what i've done is i've

2184
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:42,000
taken those sketches from the marine

2185
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:43,840
i've cleaned them up in autocad we've

2186
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:45,920
got kind of a mini disclosure here and

2187
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,080
those are the files that i sent you

2188
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:50,480
those are directly cleaned up drawings

2189
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:53,679
from the 1963 marine original sketches

2190
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:54,840
yeah

2191
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:57,600
uh look like rita go ahead and post that

2192
01:29:02,470 --> 01:28:58,880
up in twitter

2193
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:02,480
this is uh an exclusive for everybody uh

2194
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:05,040
we're gonna get that uh image posted up

2195
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:08,159
right now and let's take our break this

2196
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:10,159
is fade to black i am your host jimmy

2197
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:12,000
church i guess tonight michael schrad

2198
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:16,239
when we come back the 1951

2199
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:19,760
gordon cooper ufo intercept

2200
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,679
this is incredible we talked about it

2201
01:29:24,460 --> 01:29:23,600
over the weekend i'll be right back stay

2202
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:24,470
with us

2203
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:40,870
[Music]

2204
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:44,070
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2205
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:47,120
you're listening to fade to black

2206
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,040
always on the edge of the hottest

2207
01:29:57,580 --> 01:29:51,679
alternative talk jimmy church with fade

2208
01:29:57,590 --> 01:30:11,030
[Applause]

2209
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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church our guest tonight

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michael schrad we just posted up in

2282
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twitter it's uh flying by now

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everybody's retweeting but the images

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from the 1963 uh marine ufo encounter

2285
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:22,960
and uh michael's uh drawings of that and

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it's this is the thing michael and i

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were sitting there we talked uh for a

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couple hours a few hours

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and

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he's got

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literally probably i'm gonna say 500

2292
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cases sitting in front of me in this

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binder

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and uh

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and we we got pretty

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pretty deep into i don't know 10 20

2297
01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:48,880
maybe 30 cases we didn't even scratch we

2298
01:34:53,110 --> 01:34:51,360
didn't even dent that binder michael we

2299
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didn't even

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keep in mind jimmy that that's 197

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binders total that's insane to me insane

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01:35:04,629 --> 01:35:03,040
insane and and it was just one case

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after another

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um

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the majority of them i had never heard

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of

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and that's what's uh that's what's so

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incredible here it's uh

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your research and and how you handle

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01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:19,760
this michael it's just uh it's uh it's

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you deserve a medal

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01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:22,400
well

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01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:24,639
we'll figure something out okay yeah

2314
01:35:28,229 --> 01:35:26,159
that that's fine but what i want to

2315
01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:28,239
stress is that i'm not making these up

2316
01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:30,639
they all have paperwork to back it up so

2317
01:35:36,070 --> 01:35:33,520
these have a historical legacy and

2318
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:36,080
lineage behind them yeah and it was one

2319
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:38,000
case after another where i'm going okay

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01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:38,719
i've

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drawings and then a then a photograph

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01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:47,440
uh with every single case that you have

2323
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:50,159
uh just just incredible okay now we

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discussed this next one the 1951 gordon

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cooper ufo intercept

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one of the most

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all know gordon cooper we we've heard

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his statements on ufos

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um

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and and his position on the subject for

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sure but most of us don't know about

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this 1951 ufo intercept

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okay so let's kick this off jimmy uh

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we're talking about gordon cooper one of

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our original mercury astronauts and out

2336
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of all the astronauts that had talked

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about ufos by far

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gordon cooper is the most outspoken by

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far

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and then jimmy uh on march 27 1978 he

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was on the merv griffin show and he made

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a series of shocking comments that

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totally rattled the audience and i'm

2344
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just going to hit you with uh some of

2345
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the things that merv had said here now

2346
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this is nerve griffin speaking uh march

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27 1978 call

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story going around gordon that a

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spaceship did land in middle america and

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there were occupants and members of our

2351
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government were able to keep one of the

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occupants alive for a period of time

2353
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they've seen the metal of the aircraft

2354
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and they know what the people look like

2355
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:09,760
is that a credible story

2356
01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:12,080
and then gordon comes back here i think

2357
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it's fairly credible i would like to see

2358
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the time when all qualified people not

2359
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trying to make a dollar selling from

2360
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your stories could really work together

2361
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to properly investigate these stories

2362
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and either refute or prove them then

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merv came back and said

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do you believe that ufos are coming to

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earth or have come to earth in the past

2366
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:36,159
gordon cooper quote i believe they have

2367
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and are on a regular basis so that

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brings us to 1951 when he was assigned

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to an air base in west germany

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and he remembered the week when an

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entire fleet of these this shaped craft

2372
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passed over the base at that time and

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01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:55,199
this happened like on a daily basis

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01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,719
the first day

2375
01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:59,040
it was seen by a weatherman who noticed

2376
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these strange objects flying at a high

2377
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:04,480
altitude later the entire fighter group

2378
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:06,239
saw them as well

2379
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:08,080
and here's what gordon cooper had to say

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about this quote unlike fighters they

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would stop in their forward velocity and

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change 90 degrees sometimes in the

2383
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middle of their flight path

2384
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:20,560
and so they were flying cooper and his

2385
01:38:25,590 --> 01:38:22,880
fellow pilots were flying f-86 saber

2386
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:25,600
jets and f-84s and they tried to

2387
01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:27,360
intercept these craft but were

2388
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:30,159
absolutely not able to catch up to these

2389
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:32,239
things no doubt about it here's what he

2390
01:38:35,669 --> 01:38:33,760
said here jimmy

2391
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call we could never get close enough to

2392
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:37,840
pin them down but they were round in

2393
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:40,719
shape and very metallic looking so

2394
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:43,199
coming from one of our astronauts

2395
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:44,719
i feel it's

2396
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reliable testimony it's as reliable as

2397
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:50,560
it gets and there's something else about

2398
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:53,920
uh cooper uh gordon cooper that

2399
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:56,159
um i always think about

2400
01:39:08,470 --> 01:38:57,360
he

2401
01:39:11,109 --> 01:39:08,480
something else too that i thought was

2402
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:11,119
telling he always seemed a little bit

2403
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,040
nervous scared

2404
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:16,080
he saw he saw things

2405
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:17,280
and he

2406
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:18,080
it

2407
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:22,639
affected gordon for the rest of his life

2408
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:25,040
i don't think he was ever the same

2409
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,159
well who is building this in 1951 that

2410
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:30,719
could outpace the f-86 yeah what

2411
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:33,119
technology was being used right

2412
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:35,600
and and here we have gordon cooper true

2413
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,080
bonafide american hero

2414
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,320
american hero one of the original

2415
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:42,080
astronauts that's it

2416
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:45,760
you know and if you can't depend on

2417
01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:48,000
his knowledge his eyes he's a fighter

2418
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:49,119
pilot

2419
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:51,280
and now he's an astronaut so he's gone

2420
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:54,400
through all of the psychological

2421
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:57,280
uh testing and background and medical

2422
01:40:02,629 --> 01:39:59,760
stuff that you can possibly go through

2423
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:02,639
at the highest levels on this planet at

2424
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:05,280
that time there there were no exceptions

2425
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:06,159
to it

2426
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:06,960
so

2427
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:09,360
for him to to have this kind of

2428
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:11,119
testimony and make these kinds of

2429
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:13,840
statements we have to take gordon cooper

2430
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:16,400
at his word we have to

2431
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:18,800
i believe you totally yes i think it's

2432
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:20,960
reliable we can bank on it

2433
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:23,920
so okay what happened

2434
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:25,679
yeah let's continue with this did he

2435
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:28,960
finally okay continue on yeah okay so uh

2436
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:31,520
let's continue this next case also

2437
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:34,000
involves gordon cooper this is 1957.

2438
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:35,920
this is one of those legendary cases

2439
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:37,760
within ufology

2440
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:40,480
is this uh edwards air force base yeah

2441
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:43,199
this is edwards air force base 1957 he

2442
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:45,280
was a project manager at edwards at the

2443
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,239
time

2444
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,000
and uh he assigned a group of

2445
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,400
photographers to a remote portion of the

2446
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:52,400
base for the purpose of installing this

2447
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:55,440
precision landing instrumentation

2448
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:58,400
uh they had motion picture film cameras

2449
01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:00,719
with them and they were recording these

2450
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:03,119
precision landings and let me just hit

2451
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:05,360
you with what uh gordon cooper stated

2452
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,560
here quote

2453
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:08,960
while the crew was out there they

2454
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:11,199
spotted a strange-looking craft above

2455
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:13,840
the lake bed and began taking films of

2456
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:16,639
it okay then he goes on quote hovering

2457
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:18,639
above the ground and then it slowly came

2458
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:20,880
down and sat on a lake bed for a few

2459
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:22,400
minutes

2460
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:24,800
and this whole thing jimmy was caught on

2461
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,280
film they got this on motion picture

2462
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:29,760
film reel no doubt about it it was about

2463
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:32,800
the size of a vehicle maybe around 30

2464
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:34,639
feet in diameter according to gordon

2465
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:37,679
cooper it was shiny silver in color

2466
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:40,080
just before it landed on the dry lake

2467
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:42,880
bed it extended these three landing gear

2468
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,199
legs and then it touched down there

2469
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:48,400
uh the camera crew got within 20 yards

2470
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:50,320
of it before it departed

2471
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:53,520
and gordon cooper did not physically see

2472
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,239
the craft himself but once the film was

2473
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:58,719
developed inside edward's facility the

2474
01:42:02,870 --> 01:42:00,400
photo lab there

2475
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:02,880
he ran it through a projector at least

2476
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,560
12 times and held up the film he did see

2477
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:08,400
the craft on the film but he didn't see

2478
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,719
the actual craft physically

2479
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,119
and then he went on to say here not too

2480
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:15,360
many people saw it because it took off

2481
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:17,920
at quite a sharp angle and just climbed

2482
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:20,239
straight out of sight and at that point

2483
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:21,760
jimmy i think you know what happened

2484
01:42:26,149 --> 01:42:23,840
from there an air force courier we

2485
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:26,159
believe from andrews air force base was

2486
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:28,400
sent to edwards air force base

2487
01:42:34,390 --> 01:42:32,080
uh in a a briefcase there this film was

2488
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:34,400
put into the briefcase it was handcuffed

2489
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:36,800
to this courier and either sent to

2490
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:39,199
andrews air force base or bowling air

2491
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:40,400
force base

2492
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:42,480
or perhaps somewhere

2493
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,760
in the pentagon like the third uh the

2494
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:47,600
fifth floor of the pentagon's d-ring

2495
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,119
could have been somewhere there bottom

2496
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:51,840
line is they must have a warehouse jimmy

2497
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:52,880
full

2498
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:54,639
of this information

2499
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:57,679
the gun camera footage the 8x10 glossies

2500
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,639
maybe the alien autopsy reports uh

2501
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,400
reports from pilots that have seen these

2502
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:04,800
things the kind of bombshell physical

2503
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:07,840
evidence that we need to move this field

2504
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:08,960
forward

2505
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,199
was stored at this location and probably

2506
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:13,119
dozens of others around the country

2507
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,760
holloman i want to see holloman

2508
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:18,239
yeah yeah i mean i want to try i want to

2509
01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:19,840
see holloman man

2510
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:21,440
um

2511
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:22,960
the uh

2512
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:27,360
the i want to move on to jackie gleason

2513
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:29,440
the reason the reason why i think jackie

2514
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:32,480
gleason is is so important here

2515
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:34,080
is that uh

2516
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:36,960
first off his relationship to

2517
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:40,639
uh richard nixon okay we and and we know

2518
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:42,719
about that that's urban

2519
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:46,480
uh myth urban legend today for sure but

2520
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:47,760
jackie

2521
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:49,440
built his house

2522
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:52,400
to look like a flying saucer

2523
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:53,520
that's right

2524
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:55,040
and you uh

2525
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:56,000
you don't

2526
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:01,360
motivated beyond words

2527
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:03,920
right he literally built a flying saucer

2528
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:05,760
house i think it's still i think it's

2529
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:07,280
still out there i think it's still out

2530
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,560
there yeah

2531
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:10,560
okay so the the background research on

2532
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:13,360
this one is and there's a little bit to

2533
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:16,480
tie in on this uh leonard stringfield he

2534
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,800
received a letter from an airman

2535
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:21,199
based at homestead air force base who

2536
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:22,960
claims to have seen a craft in one of

2537
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:25,679
the hangars sometime around 1979 so

2538
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:27,760
there is possibly some supporting

2539
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:29,520
evidence to this case

2540
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:31,119
now we're talking about the famous

2541
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:32,719
jackie gleason

2542
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:35,440
alien body ufo encounter at homestead

2543
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:36,880
air force base

2544
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:40,719
allegedly took place february 19th 1973

2545
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:42,480
now the part of the story now this thing

2546
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:45,280
is legendary within ufology as you know

2547
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:48,239
a part of the story that is true and can

2548
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:51,119
be verified is the fact that both jackie

2549
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:53,679
gleason and president richard nixon did

2550
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:56,560
in point of fact attend this charity

2551
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:58,560
golf outing that part of the story is

2552
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,639
true no doubt about it

2553
01:45:05,830 --> 01:45:02,880
we also know that jackie gleason was a

2554
01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:05,840
huge paranormal buff he loved ufos he

2555
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:08,080
has a massive ufo book collection that's

2556
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:10,320
been donated to the university of miami

2557
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,119
there and as you mentioned he did build

2558
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:15,360
a house in peakskill new york called the

2559
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:18,560
round house at the cost of 800 000

2560
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:20,639
so that part of the story absolutely

2561
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:23,119
checks out so jimmy somewhere around the

2562
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:26,320
ninth hole the subject of ufos came up

2563
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:28,880
as it sometimes does

2564
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:31,040
and then later that evening

2565
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:33,600
president nixon was said to have shown

2566
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:36,000
up at gleason's house alone driving his

2567
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,040
own car

2568
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:39,520
and he says nick's uh jackie i think i

2569
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:40,639
could help you with some of the things

2570
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,320
that we were discussing on the golf

2571
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:44,400
course this afternoon so

2572
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:48,080
richard nixon drives jackie gleason to

2573
01:45:51,990 --> 01:45:50,159
homestead air force base he's cleared

2574
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:52,000
through the security guards

2575
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:54,800
and then under an armed guard

2576
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:57,360
escort gleeson was kind of treated to do

2577
01:46:01,270 --> 01:46:00,159
a tour of a secret repository and shown

2578
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:01,280
debris

2579
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:03,600
of what they felt was a crash ufo in

2580
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:06,080
these large storms containers

2581
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:07,840
and this was believed to have been

2582
01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:09,679
through a crash retrieval that was being

2583
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:12,320
kept in this large room or warehouse

2584
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:13,600
area

2585
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:15,920
he also recalled seeing what he termed

2586
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:16,880
quote

2587
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:20,000
six glass top coke freezers

2588
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:22,320
with small quote child-like beings

2589
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:25,040
inside that measured about two feet tall

2590
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:26,960
there were at least two other freezers

2591
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:27,760
there

2592
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:29,840
that contain the mango remains of

2593
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:32,080
figures that look much older like

2594
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:33,920
they've been in sort of some type of

2595
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:35,760
crash of some sort

2596
01:46:40,149 --> 01:46:38,000
and then when jackie gleason was driven

2597
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:40,159
back by richard nixon to his home around

2598
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:41,920
11 30 p.m

2599
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:43,840
gleason was physically

2600
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:45,360
visibly shaken

2601
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:47,679
he threw himself down on his arm chair

2602
01:46:51,830 --> 01:46:49,600
and jimmy he was a changed man at that

2603
01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:51,840
point from that point forward he was a

2604
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:55,840
totally changed man the first time that

2605
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:57,280
i saw

2606
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:00,080
uh a star move

2607
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,719
in the sky right and stopped the first

2608
01:47:06,470 --> 01:47:04,560
time that that happened

2609
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:06,480
i i almost passed out

2610
01:47:09,750 --> 01:47:07,840
i mean

2611
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:09,760
because

2612
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:12,639
we're all you know emotionally invested

2613
01:47:17,669 --> 01:47:15,119
into this subject and we read and we

2614
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:17,679
research and we you know and we and our

2615
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:19,840
friends and all of that but the moment

2616
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:21,600
that something like that now i do you

2617
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:23,280
know it's happened to me so many times

2618
01:47:28,390 --> 01:47:26,320
it's just it's just fun now but but the

2619
01:47:30,310 --> 01:47:28,400
first time i i know what jackie was

2620
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,320
going through because

2621
01:47:34,870 --> 01:47:32,480
you've invested your personal time

2622
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:34,880
you're emotionally tied into this but

2623
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:37,040
you go and you get confirmation

2624
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:39,119
you're you're changed it's an epiphany

2625
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:41,920
it's it's a brand new day

2626
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,320
it doesn't become real until it happens

2627
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:46,800
to you personally that's it so yes i

2628
01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:47,679
agree

2629
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:51,760
and then he went and built a house

2630
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:54,159
so let's let's move on to the next case

2631
01:48:02,229 --> 01:47:57,280
here this involves the uss fdr aircraft

2632
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:02,239
carrier this is cva 42 this is late 1958

2633
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:04,239
guantanamo bay cuba now keep in mind

2634
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:06,159
this is the first aircraft carrier to

2635
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:08,560
cure nuclear weapons on board now was

2636
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:11,119
this the uh report that uh i went

2637
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:12,800
through

2638
01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:16,159
drawings right with the drawings of the

2639
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:18,080
aircraft carrier okay that's correct

2640
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:20,800
that's correct so this took place uh at

2641
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:22,880
night during a shakedown cruise primary

2642
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:24,800
eyewitness is a man named chester

2643
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:27,840
brzezinski he was assigned to the fdr in

2644
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:30,960
july of 1958 he worked in the repair

2645
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:34,320
detail so sometime around 9 p.m there

2646
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:36,960
was a significant commotion

2647
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:39,920
that began spreading below decks

2648
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:41,679
all these naval personnel started

2649
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:43,360
rushing up the ladder to get to the

2650
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:44,560
flight deck

2651
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:46,480
and once they were topside there were at

2652
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:49,679
least 25 naval personnel there that

2653
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:51,840
reported kind of like a small light that

2654
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,000
appeared to be following the ship and

2655
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:56,400
then it started increasing its rate

2656
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:58,639
toward the ship itself uh this thing

2657
01:49:02,709 --> 01:49:00,560
made no sound whatsoever and it

2658
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:02,719
maneuvered like unlike any known

2659
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:04,719
aircraft at the time

2660
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:06,560
it started descending toward the flight

2661
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:08,480
deck and it parked itself jimmy a

2662
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:11,199
hundred feet off the flight deck visible

2663
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:14,400
to all these naval personnel below this

2664
01:49:19,510 --> 01:49:16,719
thing was about 100 feet in length a

2665
01:49:21,590 --> 01:49:19,520
cigar shaped craft along the side of it

2666
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:21,600
it had a series of rectangular shaped

2667
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:24,880
portholes with what they termed figures

2668
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:28,320
or beings looking back at them of the

2669
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,560
naval officers below and he said that

2670
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:32,400
one of these beings kind of leaned up to

2671
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:35,119
the window and put his hand over his

2672
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,280
head like he was waving at the naval

2673
01:49:40,950 --> 01:49:39,760
officers below this is all within visual

2674
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:40,960
range here

2675
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:43,920
now this is a ce2 case because the naval

2676
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:46,239
personnel they could feel the heat

2677
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:49,119
emanating off this craft being radiated

2678
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:51,360
on their faces so it puts us in the

2679
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:53,520
category of a ce2

2680
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:56,159
just before departing this entire

2681
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:58,320
cigar-shaped craft turned an orange

2682
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:00,560
color and then departed at a higher rate

2683
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:02,800
of speed without making any sonic boom

2684
01:50:08,950 --> 01:50:06,000
at all so this is the uss fdr case now

2685
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:08,960
in this report

2686
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:10,960
with his drawings

2687
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:13,520
i saw one thing that was curious i

2688
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:15,840
brought it up to you uh in his drawings

2689
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:18,719
of the aircraft carrier he's got a group

2690
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:22,719
he draws stick figures of a group of

2691
01:50:28,070 --> 01:50:25,760
witnesses on the flight deck

2692
01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:28,080
and i think in the report what i read

2693
01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:29,679
the handwritten part

2694
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:32,560
uh pointing towards the group he said

2695
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:36,400
approximately 25 witnesses

2696
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:38,880
correct it says here on the sketch the

2697
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:42,560
wording is a little weird me plus 25 men

2698
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:46,000
seen this yes yes so yeah

2699
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:47,280
right

2700
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:50,480
yeah so this is a multi-witness case uh

2701
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:52,080
that was a ce2 because there was

2702
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:53,440
physical effects

2703
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:57,440
a pretty incredible case and and his his

2704
01:51:01,590 --> 01:50:59,760
recollection the drawings and the way

2705
01:51:02,790 --> 01:51:01,600
that he has laid it out

2706
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:02,800
uh truth

2707
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:05,119
it's always truth is in the details you

2708
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:08,400
know and it's all right there that's a

2709
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:10,639
that's a fantastic report the first time

2710
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:12,080
that you got your hand on uh

2711
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:14,320
stringfield's report oh by the way i'm

2712
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,320
going to tell everybody

2713
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:18,159
i'm i'm holding the report i look down

2714
01:51:22,060 --> 01:51:20,719
at the bottom i go man it's signed by

2715
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:22,070
leonard stringfield

2716
01:51:25,590 --> 01:51:24,159
[Laughter]

2717
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:25,600
i'm holding it

2718
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:28,639
in my hand and that report was dated

2719
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:29,840
when

2720
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:33,360
19 uh well 67. the encounter took place

2721
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:35,840
in late 1958 that's when it took place

2722
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:39,679
yeah the report was 67 i think

2723
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,639
um

2724
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:42,639
i've got to pull the file here oh it

2725
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:44,719
doesn't matter it doesn't matter yeah it

2726
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,400
does it doesn't matter but

2727
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:48,480
you know holding a historical document

2728
01:51:53,669 --> 01:51:50,719
like that for me was uh pretty cool

2729
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:53,679
for you to uh handle the originals and

2730
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:56,000
look through those it's uh it's just got

2731
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:58,159
to be exhilarating you know adrenaline

2732
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:59,440
rush

2733
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:01,199
well to see the sketches yeah i mean

2734
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:03,679
that was nice to see the sketches it was

2735
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:05,520
one of those cases where there was a at

2736
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:07,599
least a five page report plus the

2737
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:09,280
original sketches as well so when you

2738
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:11,280
put it together and you know it's not

2739
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:13,679
the only time the fdr had a sighting

2740
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:15,760
like that there were other ufo sightings

2741
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:17,599
associated with that particular aircraft

2742
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:20,080
so it had a history too

2743
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:23,119
let's uh okay it's uh we've got uh six

2744
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:25,440
minutes to the break let's and we've got

2745
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:27,920
so much material to cover everybody

2746
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:30,320
we're only a quarter of the way through

2747
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:31,599
here

2748
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:33,440
so michael i hope you don't have to get

2749
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:34,880
up too early we're going to end up doing

2750
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:37,520
some overtime tonight let's uh get to

2751
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:39,360
the now this is something else i haven't

2752
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:40,480
heard about

2753
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:44,400
uh the underground facility at fort hood

2754
01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:47,119
yes correct now uh i just want to say

2755
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:50,320
that that we've got report after report

2756
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:53,520
of something strange going on at fort

2757
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:55,679
hood it appears to be the case now this

2758
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:58,639
is a base in central texas it's a

2759
01:53:02,950 --> 01:53:00,960
hundred and sixty thousand acres jimmy

2760
01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:02,960
we're talking about a big

2761
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:04,960
large facility here the reference for

2762
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,639
this is the leonard springfield

2763
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:08,800
collections that included a

2764
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:11,199
letter from tommy blonde researcher mark

2765
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:13,679
3rd 1982

2766
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:15,599
and it's believed that there's a huge

2767
01:53:20,070 --> 01:53:17,760
underground complex

2768
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:20,080
within fort hood

2769
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:23,040
part of the great army airfield complex

2770
01:53:27,189 --> 01:53:25,040
which is kind of built into the side of

2771
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:27,199
the hill here it has a camouflage

2772
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:29,040
section according to the letter a

2773
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:31,360
camouflage section of land that opens up

2774
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:33,440
like sliding doors to reveal this

2775
01:53:37,109 --> 01:53:34,880
entrance this is like the third time

2776
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:37,119
we've heard this now of these

2777
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:39,040
underground facilities that have this

2778
01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:41,760
camouflage textured exterior to blend in

2779
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:43,599
with the background we've heard that

2780
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:46,159
again multiple times

2781
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:48,800
and what happened here is that an air

2782
01:53:52,830 --> 01:53:50,400
force captain

2783
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:52,840
while stationed at fort hood in

2784
01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:55,440
1972 told blonde

2785
01:53:59,109 --> 01:53:57,920
in the late 1960s about this interesting

2786
01:54:01,510 --> 01:53:59,119
event that

2787
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:01,520
involved a private pilot he had to make

2788
01:54:06,709 --> 01:54:04,159
this emergency landing within gray army

2789
01:54:08,629 --> 01:54:06,719
airfield so just picture this it could

2790
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:08,639
have been a 172 i'm not sure it could

2791
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:11,119
have been a cessna 152 but this guy

2792
01:54:15,830 --> 01:54:13,040
lands at gray army airfield and

2793
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:15,840
according to the letter he is met by a

2794
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:18,880
jeep with these mps that had uh they

2795
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:21,119
were armed with machine guns

2796
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:23,760
but before they got to him

2797
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:26,560
he saw this huge section of land that

2798
01:54:31,910 --> 01:54:29,440
opened up like giant sliding doors that

2799
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:31,920
had this vegetation on top showing this

2800
01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:33,520
interior corridor

2801
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:36,080
uh the pilot was met by these mps at

2802
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:37,360
gunpoint

2803
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:39,760
he was ordered out of his plane he was

2804
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:42,719
then blindfolded taken into the jeep to

2805
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:44,560
what he thought was this underground

2806
01:54:50,310 --> 01:54:46,800
facility so he's going down this

2807
01:54:52,870 --> 01:54:50,320
corridor uh he's brought into this room

2808
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:52,880
he is unblindfolded and then he's

2809
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:55,599
interrogated for about two hours he's

2810
01:55:00,629 --> 01:54:58,400
blindfolded again taken to his plane and

2811
01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:00,639
then told to never speak about the

2812
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:03,440
incident as this plane takes off they're

2813
01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:05,679
watching him take off so this is

2814
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:08,560
essentially the crux of the case but why

2815
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:10,480
i think this is important is

2816
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:11,520
because

2817
01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:13,440
we've got multiple

2818
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:14,960
cases within

2819
01:55:20,229 --> 01:55:17,199
texas for instance hoffman texas

2820
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:20,239
december 29 1980 the cash landrum

2821
01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:23,679
incident that involved 23 double rotor

2822
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:25,360
ch of

2823
01:55:31,189 --> 01:55:28,960
43 helicopters that were going with the

2824
01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:31,199
craft itself either ushering the craft

2825
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:34,320
or escorting the craft at least one

2826
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:36,639
gunship was uh with that particular

2827
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:38,960
sighting and then we have a sikorsky sky

2828
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:41,760
crane as well that links up with another

2829
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:45,520
case that was seen november 21st 1973

2830
01:55:49,350 --> 01:55:48,239
uh also in the texas area not too far

2831
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:49,360
from this

2832
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:51,920
where these two ufos that look like

2833
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:53,199
bricks

2834
01:55:58,229 --> 01:55:56,320
with worn off edges were seen they had a

2835
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:58,239
series of multi-colored lights on their

2836
01:56:03,669 --> 01:56:00,800
surface they had a metallic looking

2837
01:56:05,589 --> 01:56:03,679
exterior surface that had kind of a blue

2838
01:56:08,149 --> 01:56:05,599
white coronal discharge that was

2839
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:08,159
encompassing the entire craft itself

2840
01:56:12,830 --> 01:56:09,760
these things were approaching from the

2841
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:12,840
northwest this is back in november 21st

2842
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,360
1973 the two eyewitnesses heard the

2843
01:56:19,589 --> 01:56:17,520
sound of helicopters approaching from

2844
01:56:21,189 --> 01:56:19,599
the same location

2845
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:21,199
and there was about seven of these

2846
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,360
things all in a line

2847
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:25,760
and then the helicopters took up

2848
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:29,520
locations above and around this ufo and

2849
01:56:34,709 --> 01:56:32,639
then jimmy two jet fighter interceptors

2850
01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:34,719
started circling above the seven

2851
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:36,880
helicopters and the two brick-shaped

2852
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:39,760
ufos that all slowly departed at a rate

2853
01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:41,679
of speed that was not you know

2854
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:43,679
supersonic but it just kind of

2855
01:56:48,550 --> 01:56:45,679
disappeared off the horizon so we've got

2856
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:48,560
two separate cases of helicopters

2857
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:51,520
associated with these ufos not too far

2858
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:54,239
from great army airfield uh as

2859
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:56,320
helicopters can fly i love the

2860
01:57:01,109 --> 01:56:59,040
description brick shaped

2861
01:57:02,470 --> 01:57:01,119
yep they were brick shaped with worn

2862
01:57:06,390 --> 01:57:02,480
edges

2863
01:57:07,910 --> 01:57:06,400
when uh when you as a aircraft historian

2864
01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:07,920
you know you

2865
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:09,520
and you hear that

2866
01:57:13,910 --> 01:57:11,199
i i can't imagine what goes through your

2867
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:13,920
mind because you like myself i love

2868
01:57:19,669 --> 01:57:16,320
helicopters i love jets i can name just

2869
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:19,679
about every aircraft on site it doesn't

2870
01:57:23,669 --> 01:57:21,840
matter what country you know i can go

2871
01:57:26,070 --> 01:57:23,679
there i know it's from spain and what's

2872
01:57:28,149 --> 01:57:26,080
from brazil and what's from here or

2873
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:28,159
whatever you know and but

2874
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:30,480
uh when you hear brick shaped

2875
01:57:33,510 --> 01:57:31,760
now

2876
01:57:35,750 --> 01:57:33,520
that's a whole other thing for somebody

2877
01:57:38,629 --> 01:57:35,760
to describe you know they're not

2878
01:57:40,870 --> 01:57:38,639
describing a flying saucer or a

2879
01:57:41,669 --> 01:57:40,880
cigar-shaped craft or something else

2880
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:41,679
that

2881
01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:45,520
uh is typical uh from eyewitnesses and

2882
01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:47,840
becomes part of pop culture and i get

2883
01:57:52,709 --> 01:57:50,080
that i do it myself yeah

2884
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:52,719
but they're not flying yep they're not

2885
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:55,280
flying on the principles of

2886
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:57,679
aerodynamics as we know them they're

2887
01:58:02,310 --> 01:57:59,599
absolutely not using the bernoulli

2888
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:02,320
theory of lift uh the reference works

2889
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:04,800
and newspaper clippings that date back

2890
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:07,360
to 1954 indicate that

2891
01:58:12,550 --> 01:58:09,599
multiple government facilities and

2892
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:12,560
community universities and uh defense

2893
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:15,520
contractors were working hard to crack

2894
01:58:19,910 --> 01:58:17,440
the gravity barrier

2895
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:19,920
as early as 1954. so jimmy i think

2896
01:58:23,109 --> 01:58:21,360
somewhere around that time frame they

2897
01:58:25,109 --> 01:58:23,119
made a breakthrough yeah they absolutely

2898
01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:25,119
need a breakthrough and when when we

2899
01:58:29,030 --> 01:58:26,639
talk about forward hit i got to take a

2900
01:58:31,189 --> 01:58:29,040
break in 30 seconds but we

2901
01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:31,199
we don't associate uh

2902
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:33,840
an underground facility with fort hood

2903
01:58:37,030 --> 01:58:35,760
in in this community it's not mentioned

2904
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:37,040
as much but

2905
01:58:42,870 --> 01:58:40,080
when you look at fort hood

2906
01:58:45,750 --> 01:58:42,880
it's all underground it's nothing but

2907
01:58:48,229 --> 01:58:45,760
roads that are leading to doors and

2908
01:58:50,229 --> 01:58:48,239
underground facilities it's that's a

2909
01:58:52,149 --> 01:58:50,239
massive massive base we need to take a

2910
01:58:54,229 --> 01:58:52,159
break right here michael okay our guest

2911
01:58:56,470 --> 01:58:54,239
tonight michael schratt

2912
01:58:57,910 --> 01:58:56,480
when we come back

2913
01:59:00,070 --> 01:58:57,920
oh wow

2914
01:59:01,430 --> 01:59:00,080
we're going to go back to 1963. that's

2915
01:59:03,830 --> 01:59:01,440
what we're going to do we'll do that

2916
01:59:07,660 --> 01:59:03,840
next this is faded black i'm yours jimmy

2917
01:59:07,670 --> 01:59:11,350
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3019
02:04:12,149 --> 02:04:10,660
welcome back

3020
02:04:13,669 --> 02:04:12,159
[Music]

3021
02:04:14,709 --> 02:04:13,679
faded black our guest tonight michael

3022
02:04:17,990 --> 02:04:14,719
schrad

3023
02:04:20,070 --> 02:04:18,000
fascinating fascinating show tonight

3024
02:04:21,990 --> 02:04:20,080
and i just want to let everybody know i

3025
02:04:23,910 --> 02:04:22,000
i you know i get up and i i'll walk

3026
02:04:25,030 --> 02:04:23,920
around the bunker stretch my legs during

3027
02:04:28,629 --> 02:04:25,040
the break

3028
02:04:30,709 --> 02:04:28,639
and i walked over and uh uh picked up uh

3029
02:04:33,270 --> 02:04:30,719
one of my strats over the uh off the

3030
02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:33,280
wall over there and was playing it and i

3031
02:04:37,189 --> 02:04:34,960
broke a string

3032
02:04:38,950 --> 02:04:37,199
and uh and i come back and i sit down i

3033
02:04:40,149 --> 02:04:38,960
put it now i got to string that thing up

3034
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:40,159
and and and

3035
02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:41,040
anyway

3036
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:43,280
so i sit down there's a tweet here from

3037
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:45,599
uh scott and he says jimmy awesome night

3038
02:04:48,790 --> 02:04:47,760
and guess now pick up that guitar and

3039
02:04:52,070 --> 02:04:48,800
talk to me

3040
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:52,080
well i tried but i broke a string all

3041
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:52,960
right

3042
02:04:58,709 --> 02:04:55,440
michael uh do you play guitar do you do

3043
02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:58,719
you have a do you have the music gene

3044
02:05:03,589 --> 02:05:01,360
um i don't play guitar now do you what

3045
02:05:05,990 --> 02:05:03,599
do you play i'd like to i'd like to but

3046
02:05:09,350 --> 02:05:06,000
no i don't play guitar

3047
02:05:11,350 --> 02:05:09,360
oh man guitar it's so funny this show

3048
02:05:13,270 --> 02:05:11,360
michael and i'm sure you've appreciated

3049
02:05:16,229 --> 02:05:13,280
this over the years but

3050
02:05:19,750 --> 02:05:16,239
about fade to black but we talk music we

3051
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:19,760
talk conspiracy and ufos and time travel

3052
02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:23,679
and heavy metal and and food you know it

3053
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:26,719
it it all gets done on this show and

3054
02:05:29,350 --> 02:05:28,320
this audience is

3055
02:05:30,629 --> 02:05:29,360
you know

3056
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:30,639
they get it

3057
02:05:38,550 --> 02:05:34,880
start talking tacos okay

3058
02:05:41,589 --> 02:05:38,560
now um uh a flying saucer seen at right

3059
02:05:43,109 --> 02:05:41,599
pat in 1963 this is another case that i

3060
02:05:45,030 --> 02:05:43,119
have not heard about

3061
02:05:47,270 --> 02:05:45,040
and i'm looking at some of the comments

3062
02:05:48,950 --> 02:05:47,280
here that are going down on twitter

3063
02:05:50,950 --> 02:05:48,960
and where they're saying i haven't heard

3064
02:05:52,629 --> 02:05:50,960
about these cases before

3065
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:52,639
and and that

3066
02:05:57,750 --> 02:05:54,480
this is this is just great stuff let's

3067
02:06:00,149 --> 02:05:57,760
get to this right pat ufo in 1963. okay

3068
02:06:02,149 --> 02:06:00,159
great uh one thing i want to state here

3069
02:06:04,470 --> 02:06:02,159
though is that

3070
02:06:05,589 --> 02:06:04,480
the the reference preferences for these

3071
02:06:08,709 --> 02:06:05,599
are definitely from the leonard

3072
02:06:11,750 --> 02:06:08,719
stringfield files but leonard had a

3073
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:11,760
strict policy that he would never reveal

3074
02:06:16,070 --> 02:06:14,320
the identity of his sources

3075
02:06:19,109 --> 02:06:16,080
so it's kind of a two-edged sword and

3076
02:06:20,870 --> 02:06:19,119
one sense the identities were maintained

3077
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:20,880
you know we don't know uh they were

3078
02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:23,360
protected but on the other side some of

3079
02:06:27,990 --> 02:06:26,320
these cases are 35 to 40 years old and

3080
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:28,000
if we don't do something soon they'll be

3081
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:31,040
lost for all of history that's right

3082
02:06:35,109 --> 02:06:33,199
so that's kind of a two-edged sword here

3083
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:35,119
now the next case

3084
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:38,239
it's 1963 right patterson air force base

3085
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:40,400
this was a captain in the navy and he

3086
02:06:45,030 --> 02:06:42,800
was later a pilot for brainerd airlines

3087
02:06:47,270 --> 02:06:45,040
i have his name on file we'll call him

3088
02:06:48,550 --> 02:06:47,280
pj out of respect for leonard

3089
02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:48,560
springfield

3090
02:06:52,149 --> 02:06:50,480
this gentleman was on special assignment

3091
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:52,159
at wright patterson air force base where

3092
02:06:55,669 --> 02:06:54,560
he claimed he saw two flying saucers in

3093
02:06:57,910 --> 02:06:55,679
a hangar

3094
02:07:00,709 --> 02:06:57,920
one was in plain view and propped up on

3095
02:07:03,189 --> 02:07:00,719
a pedestal so there's three cases now of

3096
02:07:05,350 --> 02:07:03,199
these things being propped up right

3097
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:05,360
i was about 30 feet in diameter had no

3098
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:08,079
rivets that were visible and he felt

3099
02:07:12,629 --> 02:07:09,840
that this was could have been a two-man

3100
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:12,639
craft the other craft which he did not

3101
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:14,400
give a dimension for

3102
02:07:18,390 --> 02:07:16,639
said that it could fit maybe 12 people

3103
02:07:20,069 --> 02:07:18,400
much larger craft

3104
02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:20,079
he was later called in by the base

3105
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:21,840
authorities in question

3106
02:07:26,310 --> 02:07:24,480
and he said quote i didn't see anything

3107
02:07:28,390 --> 02:07:26,320
so it looks like this gentleman knew the

3108
02:07:29,910 --> 02:07:28,400
game he knew how this was played like if

3109
02:07:32,069 --> 02:07:29,920
you saw something you weren't supposed

3110
02:07:34,629 --> 02:07:32,079
to see in one later question

3111
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:34,639
your mandatory replies to be i didn't

3112
02:07:39,109 --> 02:07:37,040
see anything so he was kind of briefed

3113
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:39,119
already he knew how to play this game so

3114
02:07:44,709 --> 02:07:41,280
that is the right patterson air force

3115
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:44,719
base 1963 encounter now and and right

3116
02:07:48,709 --> 02:07:45,840
pat

3117
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:48,719
first off another ginormous base right

3118
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:51,360
pat yes not small that is a big base

3119
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:53,360
i've been there a few times

3120
02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:56,000
and uh but there's that part of it the

3121
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:57,840
second part of right pat

3122
02:08:04,709 --> 02:08:01,280
is their foreign technology division

3123
02:08:06,870 --> 02:08:04,719
that's exactly what they do there aside

3124
02:08:10,390 --> 02:08:06,880
from being an air force base

3125
02:08:11,830 --> 02:08:10,400
it is a it's a research facility too as

3126
02:08:14,149 --> 02:08:11,840
well

3127
02:08:16,069 --> 02:08:14,159
correct that's correct you know it makes

3128
02:08:16,950 --> 02:08:16,079
sense that the roswell debris would go

3129
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:16,960
there

3130
02:08:20,149 --> 02:08:18,239
if they're trying to figure out how

3131
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:20,159
something would work you'd want to send

3132
02:08:24,709 --> 02:08:22,000
it there so let's move on to the next

3133
02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:24,719
one uh ufo at great lakes naval station

3134
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:27,360
1973 another report from the springfield

3135
02:08:29,669 --> 02:08:28,560
files

3136
02:08:32,709 --> 02:08:29,679
chicago

3137
02:08:36,310 --> 02:08:32,719
stop stop stop stop right there

3138
02:08:39,189 --> 02:08:36,320
i i was living there in 1973.

3139
02:08:41,589 --> 02:08:39,199
really okay well you know i was born

3140
02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:41,599
there we we talked about that i was born

3141
02:08:46,069 --> 02:08:43,840
at the great lakes naval air station

3142
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:46,079
which is uh on the shore of lake

3143
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:48,159
michigan in waukegan illinois that's

3144
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:49,520
where i was born i lived at fort

3145
02:08:53,750 --> 02:08:50,400
sheridan

3146
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:53,760
but then moved later uh off base uh

3147
02:08:58,069 --> 02:08:55,679
right outside of the gates there at

3148
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:58,079
great lakes naval air station in 1973 i

3149
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:00,960
was living right there i was in i was in

3150
02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:03,520
the fourth grade fifth grade that's

3151
02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:05,440
where i saw the

3152
02:09:08,629 --> 02:09:06,560
uh

3153
02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:08,639
what i think was the los angeles

3154
02:09:12,950 --> 02:09:10,480
zeppelin that i was telling you about

3155
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:12,960
that was in 1973.

3156
02:09:17,109 --> 02:09:16,079
so maybe it wasn't a zeppelin

3157
02:09:19,270 --> 02:09:17,119
okay

3158
02:09:20,550 --> 02:09:19,280
tell me about this case all right all

3159
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:20,560
right okay

3160
02:09:24,229 --> 02:09:23,360
now the reference for this is researcher

3161
02:09:25,510 --> 02:09:24,239
don

3162
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:25,520
jernigan

3163
02:09:30,310 --> 02:09:27,280
he knew a guard that was stationed there

3164
02:09:32,870 --> 02:09:30,320
in 1973 so he has to get credit for this

3165
02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:32,880
uh this particular guard was outside a

3166
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:34,960
remote quonset style building on the

3167
02:09:38,790 --> 02:09:36,960
northeast sector of the base

3168
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:38,800
so i thought hmm that's interesting can

3169
02:09:42,069 --> 02:09:41,040
we pin this down so if you go on google

3170
02:09:44,830 --> 02:09:42,079
maps

3171
02:09:48,629 --> 02:09:44,840
and you type in uh the naval air station

3172
02:09:52,229 --> 02:09:48,639
there and you go to 3d images

3173
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:52,239
there is a quonset style building there

3174
02:09:56,790 --> 02:09:54,239
on the northeast corner

3175
02:09:59,589 --> 02:09:56,800
on the intersection of paul jones street

3176
02:10:01,750 --> 02:09:59,599
and porter avenue there is a concert

3177
02:10:03,910 --> 02:10:01,760
style building it could be i don't know

3178
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:03,920
if that's the one but it fits the

3179
02:10:08,709 --> 02:10:06,480
description so that part of the story

3180
02:10:11,030 --> 02:10:08,719
seems to check out here uh this

3181
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:11,040
particular card he was commanded to

3182
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:13,440
deliver a special message to the

3183
02:10:18,229 --> 02:10:16,239
commander of operations and was granted

3184
02:10:20,550 --> 02:10:18,239
access to this building

3185
02:10:23,669 --> 02:10:20,560
so he goes in this building he's met

3186
02:10:25,990 --> 02:10:23,679
with these two burly guards who escort

3187
02:10:27,910 --> 02:10:26,000
him down this hangar they make uh down

3188
02:10:30,790 --> 02:10:27,920
this corridor they make a left-hand turn

3189
02:10:33,189 --> 02:10:30,800
down another long corridor and when they

3190
02:10:36,470 --> 02:10:33,199
get to the end of that one it opens up

3191
02:10:37,830 --> 02:10:36,480
into this large warehouse area the

3192
02:10:41,109 --> 02:10:37,840
entire

3193
02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:41,119
inside of this area is crawling jimmy

3194
02:10:47,350 --> 02:10:44,560
with these guards holding drawn weapons

3195
02:10:48,310 --> 02:10:47,360
and what this uh gel what this guard saw

3196
02:10:56,229 --> 02:10:48,320
was

3197
02:10:57,270 --> 02:10:56,239
platform that's four times now we've

3198
02:10:59,510 --> 02:10:57,280
heard this

3199
02:11:01,750 --> 02:10:59,520
uh the body kind of was round in the

3200
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:01,760
front like a teardrop then tapered back

3201
02:11:07,030 --> 02:11:03,840
to a pointy rear end

3202
02:11:09,430 --> 02:11:07,040
it had kind of a ridge or lip around the

3203
02:11:11,669 --> 02:11:09,440
outer portion of the craft

3204
02:11:13,750 --> 02:11:11,679
it was 10 to 15 feet and thick and it

3205
02:11:16,950 --> 02:11:13,760
had a silver white glow around its

3206
02:11:19,270 --> 02:11:16,960
exterior had no landing gear no windows

3207
02:11:21,350 --> 02:11:19,280
no visible means of propulsion and

3208
02:11:24,229 --> 02:11:21,360
featured that small flange running on

3209
02:11:25,669 --> 02:11:24,239
the outside so some type of a craft

3210
02:11:28,229 --> 02:11:25,679
according to

3211
02:11:30,870 --> 02:11:28,239
uh don jernigan who uh

3212
02:11:33,109 --> 02:11:30,880
interviewed this guard some type of a

3213
02:11:37,830 --> 02:11:33,119
craft was being stored at this facility

3214
02:11:40,629 --> 02:11:37,840
in 1973. what was the name of the street

3215
02:11:43,030 --> 02:11:40,639
it is paul jones street and porter

3216
02:11:45,669 --> 02:11:43,040
avenue the the intersection there you

3217
02:11:47,350 --> 02:11:45,679
can see there's a quonset style i see it

3218
02:11:48,870 --> 02:11:47,360
i'm looking at it i'm looking at it

3219
02:11:51,589 --> 02:11:48,880
right here wow

3220
02:11:53,109 --> 02:11:51,599
yep yep huh that could be the place

3221
02:11:54,310 --> 02:11:53,119
don't know for sure but it fits the

3222
02:11:56,709 --> 02:11:54,320
description

3223
02:11:58,229 --> 02:11:56,719
wow that's fascinating what i saw was

3224
02:12:00,790 --> 02:11:58,239
much bigger

3225
02:12:03,270 --> 02:12:00,800
what i saw oh yeah for sure yeah what i

3226
02:12:04,069 --> 02:12:03,280
saw was much bigger uh

3227
02:12:06,470 --> 02:12:04,079
now

3228
02:12:07,589 --> 02:12:06,480
the next case yeah this is great stuff

3229
02:12:11,189 --> 02:12:07,599
by the way

3230
02:12:14,310 --> 02:12:11,199
is there any reference like if i

3231
02:12:17,990 --> 02:12:14,320
uh if i or if anybody searches any of

3232
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:18,000
this like the 1958 uss fdr you a phone

3233
02:12:21,830 --> 02:12:20,320
counter are there references online with

3234
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:21,840
any of these cases

3235
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:23,920
the history channel did a whole series

3236
02:12:28,390 --> 02:12:26,079
on this it's a well-known case okay

3237
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:28,400
absolutely well-known case yeah no doubt

3238
02:12:31,030 --> 02:12:29,679
about it

3239
02:12:33,270 --> 02:12:31,040
okay so

3240
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:33,280
let's move on to the next one the ufo

3241
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:34,480
warehouse

3242
02:12:39,669 --> 02:12:37,520
uh charles wilhelm he spoke to leonard

3243
02:12:41,750 --> 02:12:39,679
stringfield gets the credit for this he

3244
02:12:43,750 --> 02:12:41,760
spoke to someone named mrs g we're going

3245
02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:43,760
to call her mrs g she was dying of

3246
02:12:49,030 --> 02:12:46,719
cancer she was employed at right field

3247
02:12:50,870 --> 02:12:49,040
during the 1940s and 1950s this is

3248
02:12:53,589 --> 02:12:50,880
before it was renamed wright-patterson

3249
02:12:56,709 --> 02:12:53,599
air force base so this woman who was

3250
02:12:58,069 --> 02:12:56,719
dying of cancer was there early on very

3251
02:12:59,990 --> 02:12:58,079
early on

3252
02:13:02,629 --> 02:13:00,000
she worked in the foreign materials

3253
02:13:05,350 --> 02:13:02,639
division she held a top secret security

3254
02:13:07,750 --> 02:13:05,360
clearance and what her job jimmy was was

3255
02:13:09,350 --> 02:13:07,760
to catalog any foreign materials that

3256
02:13:12,790 --> 02:13:09,360
came into the base

3257
02:13:15,430 --> 02:13:12,800
and she told wilhelm back in 1955 this

3258
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:15,440
happened in 1955 that she catalogued

3259
02:13:21,030 --> 02:13:18,000
quote the contents taken from the

3260
02:13:22,470 --> 02:13:21,040
interior of a crashed ufo end quote

3261
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:22,480
there were over a hundred there were

3262
02:13:27,430 --> 02:13:24,960
over a thousand components and every

3263
02:13:29,830 --> 02:13:27,440
item was photographed and tagged

3264
02:13:32,470 --> 02:13:29,840
and she also stated that she saw a cart

3265
02:13:34,629 --> 02:13:32,480
being wheeled past her that had two

3266
02:13:36,550 --> 02:13:34,639
bodies on it the bodies were four to

3267
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:36,560
five feet in length they were packed in

3268
02:13:41,270 --> 02:13:38,320
either a dry ice

3269
02:13:42,149 --> 02:13:41,280
material or some type of chemical

3270
02:13:44,870 --> 02:13:42,159
uh

3271
02:13:46,950 --> 02:13:44,880
something that would preserve the bodies

3272
02:13:48,790 --> 02:13:46,960
they were humanoid-looking they had

3273
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:48,800
disproportionately large heads and

3274
02:13:54,950 --> 02:13:51,760
slanted eyes and she basically told

3275
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:54,960
wilhelm later on in 1959 about six

3276
02:13:59,270 --> 02:13:57,599
months before she died quote uncle sam

3277
02:14:01,990 --> 02:13:59,280
can't do anything to me once i'm in the

3278
02:14:04,790 --> 02:14:02,000
grave end quote so hat goes off to this

3279
02:14:06,709 --> 02:14:04,800
lady for uh disclosing what she saw wait

3280
02:14:10,069 --> 02:14:06,719
a minute okay let's back up here let's

3281
02:14:13,109 --> 02:14:10,079
talk about the historical record roswell

3282
02:14:15,030 --> 02:14:13,119
and the right pat uh connection wasn't

3283
02:14:17,350 --> 02:14:15,040
revealed until

3284
02:14:21,270 --> 02:14:17,360
1980 and after

3285
02:14:25,109 --> 02:14:21,280
okay that's that's the there was no

3286
02:14:27,270 --> 02:14:25,119
right pat alien bodies or anything that

3287
02:14:28,870 --> 02:14:27,280
was discussed certainly in the public

3288
02:14:31,189 --> 02:14:28,880
before then she wouldn't have known

3289
02:14:33,270 --> 02:14:31,199
anything about that in other words she

3290
02:14:36,550 --> 02:14:33,280
couldn't be contaminated

3291
02:14:40,790 --> 02:14:36,560
right okay correct so this statement was

3292
02:14:44,470 --> 02:14:40,800
made from her and documented in 1959

3293
02:14:47,350 --> 02:14:44,480
told will him back in nineteen uh she it

3294
02:14:49,589 --> 02:14:47,360
happened in 1955

3295
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:49,599
and it was it was told to will him in

3296
02:14:55,430 --> 02:14:53,360
1959 six months before she died

3297
02:15:03,189 --> 02:14:55,440
that's incredible

3298
02:15:05,510 --> 02:15:03,199
else uh did she say about this warehouse

3299
02:15:07,189 --> 02:15:05,520
well i'm just thinking the ending scene

3300
02:15:09,589 --> 02:15:07,199
in raiders of the lost car right that's

3301
02:15:11,270 --> 02:15:09,599
what i was just picturing gotta be boxes

3302
02:15:13,669 --> 02:15:11,280
these things were bagged and tagged they

3303
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:13,679
were photographed they were inventory

3304
02:15:18,790 --> 02:15:16,719
there's got to be literally crates and

3305
02:15:20,709 --> 02:15:18,800
warehouses full of this stuff

3306
02:15:22,950 --> 02:15:20,719
along with the gun camera footage all

3307
02:15:24,550 --> 02:15:22,960
the all the things that uh

3308
02:15:26,310 --> 02:15:24,560
our good friend wendell stevens had

3309
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:26,320
talked about all the gun camera footage

3310
02:15:31,109 --> 02:15:28,480
from the b-29s that's got to be stored

3311
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:31,119
there we're talking about close range

3312
02:15:36,229 --> 02:15:34,239
b29s with all the cameras rolling

3313
02:15:37,270 --> 02:15:36,239
where these 40-foot diameter disc shaped

3314
02:15:39,510 --> 02:15:37,280
craft

3315
02:15:41,589 --> 02:15:39,520
were just behind the trailing edge of

3316
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:41,599
the main wing and just forward of the

3317
02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:43,040
leading edge of the horizontal

3318
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:45,119
stabilizer parked right near the

3319
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:47,040
fuselage of the b-29s with all the

3320
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:49,520
cameras going they got this all on film

3321
02:15:53,510 --> 02:15:51,599
those have to be sent here too

3322
02:15:55,189 --> 02:15:53,520
i have talked to

3323
02:15:57,589 --> 02:15:55,199
probably

3324
02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:57,599
a solid five

3325
02:16:02,790 --> 02:16:00,400
maybe more of different people that uh

3326
02:16:05,750 --> 02:16:02,800
have worked civilian and otherwise at

3327
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:05,760
right pat that have all repeated to me

3328
02:16:10,870 --> 02:16:08,159
the same thing michael which is

3329
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:10,880
the running joke on the base

3330
02:16:14,629 --> 02:16:13,599
have you seen have you seen the bodies

3331
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:14,639
right

3332
02:16:21,189 --> 02:16:16,880
it's like it's what everybody talks to

3333
02:16:23,750 --> 02:16:21,199
this is the open secret on on right pat

3334
02:16:25,669 --> 02:16:23,760
they don't they know what's there

3335
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:25,679
and and people talk about it which takes

3336
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:26,880
us to

3337
02:16:31,350 --> 02:16:29,040
uh do you want to go straight into it uh

3338
02:16:34,469 --> 02:16:31,360
yeah we'll go into the next one here i i

3339
02:16:36,709 --> 02:16:34,479
agree with jimmy all roads appear to

3340
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:36,719
lead to wright patterson air force base

3341
02:16:42,389 --> 02:16:39,599
all roads do yep they really do they

3342
02:16:44,230 --> 02:16:42,399
really do okay now next case alien

3343
02:16:47,429 --> 02:16:44,240
bodies seen at wright-patterson air

3344
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:47,439
force base with the dc-7

3345
02:16:51,429 --> 02:16:50,000
leonard spoke to a warrant officer who

3346
02:16:53,669 --> 02:16:51,439
worked at wright-patterson air force

3347
02:16:56,790 --> 02:16:53,679
base this is 1955

3348
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:56,800
a dc-7 arrived at night at the base and

3349
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:58,960
this particular warrant officer

3350
02:17:03,190 --> 02:17:00,800
he basically stated that he was at the

3351
02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:03,200
right place at the right time that's how

3352
02:17:07,429 --> 02:17:05,519
he uh basically saw this and he

3353
02:17:09,589 --> 02:17:07,439
witnessed the removal

3354
02:17:11,509 --> 02:17:09,599
of these four crates

3355
02:17:14,070 --> 02:17:11,519
and they were either open or had

3356
02:17:16,629 --> 02:17:14,080
transparent covers he couldn't quite see

3357
02:17:19,349 --> 02:17:16,639
either open or transparent covers uh he

3358
02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:19,359
was 15 feet from the forklift which

3359
02:17:23,270 --> 02:17:21,280
offloaded these crates

3360
02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:23,280
and they contained the bodies of two

3361
02:17:28,629 --> 02:17:26,880
male alien creatures and one female

3362
02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:28,639
the beings measured approximately four

3363
02:17:33,509 --> 02:17:31,280
feet in length with oversized long faces

3364
02:17:35,190 --> 02:17:33,519
they had a darkish green appearance but

3365
02:17:37,270 --> 02:17:35,200
what was interesting

3366
02:17:39,509 --> 02:17:37,280
is he felt that the appearance could

3367
02:17:42,150 --> 02:17:39,519
have been due to the lighting where he

3368
02:17:43,750 --> 02:17:42,160
was so not that these beings look like

3369
02:17:44,629 --> 02:17:43,760
that but they just had it due to the

3370
02:17:47,429 --> 02:17:44,639
lighting that could have been a

3371
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:47,439
possibility they also removed several

3372
02:17:52,070 --> 02:17:49,200
other crates from the aircraft which

3373
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:52,080
contained debris from the from the ufo

3374
02:17:57,429 --> 02:17:54,800
that allegedly crashed uh he later spoke

3375
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:57,439
to one of the crew members from the dc-7

3376
02:18:01,349 --> 02:17:59,280
which told him that two of the creatures

3377
02:18:03,030 --> 02:18:01,359
were dead when taken but one was still

3378
02:18:04,870 --> 02:18:03,040
alive and talking in some type of a

3379
02:18:06,870 --> 02:18:04,880
garveled language

3380
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:06,880
the crewman stated that the other crates

3381
02:18:11,349 --> 02:18:09,040
containing the debris from the crash

3382
02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:11,359
were scheduled to be taken and delivered

3383
02:18:16,389 --> 02:18:14,000
to redstone arsenal in alabama that's

3384
02:18:19,270 --> 02:18:16,399
the breakdown on this case

3385
02:18:21,910 --> 02:18:19,280
this was in 1953

3386
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:21,920
this is in 1955.

3387
02:18:26,549 --> 02:18:24,399
oh i thought it was 1953.

3388
02:18:27,589 --> 02:18:26,559
okay uh okay

3389
02:18:30,549 --> 02:18:27,599
uh

3390
02:18:34,629 --> 02:18:30,559
nope i've got the case here in 1955.

3391
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:34,639
okay 1955 she referenced 1955. are these

3392
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:37,120
the same cases

3393
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:39,120
could be don't know for sure both could

3394
02:18:42,790 --> 02:18:41,519
be both at right it makes sense they

3395
02:18:45,110 --> 02:18:42,800
would

3396
02:18:46,549 --> 02:18:45,120
yeah both at right pat now i want to ask

3397
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:46,559
you this

3398
02:18:49,110 --> 02:18:48,080
uh

3399
02:18:57,910 --> 02:18:49,120
are we

3400
02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:57,920
they crashing on their own

3401
02:19:01,190 --> 02:18:59,200
well

3402
02:19:03,110 --> 02:19:01,200
difficult to say right

3403
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:03,120
we've heard reports that some of the

3404
02:19:08,469 --> 02:19:06,800
primitive tesla based radar systems were

3405
02:19:10,309 --> 02:19:08,479
bringing these things down right i

3406
02:19:12,070 --> 02:19:10,319
wouldn't put it past

3407
02:19:13,030 --> 02:19:12,080
our government to pull something like

3408
02:19:13,750 --> 02:19:13,040
that

3409
02:19:15,750 --> 02:19:13,760
but

3410
02:19:17,509 --> 02:19:15,760
to prove that would be hard

3411
02:19:19,349 --> 02:19:17,519
in every one of these cases some of

3412
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:19,359
these cases aren't actually crashes

3413
02:19:23,990 --> 02:19:21,679
their soft landings but some of them

3414
02:19:26,870 --> 02:19:24,000
absolutely do appear to be crashes if

3415
02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:26,880
we're to believe what jackie gleason saw

3416
02:19:30,870 --> 02:19:28,399
we have uh

3417
02:19:32,309 --> 02:19:30,880
two things immediately that come to mind

3418
02:19:34,790 --> 02:19:32,319
number one

3419
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:34,800
humans shoot first and ask questions

3420
02:19:38,629 --> 02:19:37,120
later yeah that's true that's just it's

3421
02:19:41,990 --> 02:19:38,639
just what we do

3422
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:42,000
um and then the second part of this

3423
02:19:48,150 --> 02:19:44,800
uh especially you know five six seven

3424
02:19:50,710 --> 02:19:48,160
years after the ending of world war ii

3425
02:19:52,469 --> 02:19:50,720
and entering into the cold war with

3426
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:52,479
russia and

3427
02:19:57,910 --> 02:19:55,840
not knowing what the other side had

3428
02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:57,920
we would probably shoot anything out of

3429
02:20:01,349 --> 02:20:00,319
the sky we were probably pretty trigger

3430
02:20:03,270 --> 02:20:01,359
happy

3431
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:03,280
and then we would go and figure out what

3432
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:05,600
it was later was it russian is it is it

3433
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:07,200
a flying saucer

3434
02:20:12,469 --> 02:20:09,920
it you know what you know we just don't

3435
02:20:15,030 --> 02:20:12,479
know but back then yeah uh there was a

3436
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:15,040
lot of fear that was on this planet not

3437
02:20:20,230 --> 02:20:17,680
only with the uh the flying saucers but

3438
02:20:22,469 --> 02:20:20,240
uh with russia

3439
02:20:24,389 --> 02:20:22,479
well the the fact that you know if we're

3440
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:24,399
to believe what happened to the marine

3441
02:20:28,870 --> 02:20:27,120
in 1963 and that the fact that they

3442
02:20:30,870 --> 02:20:28,880
could not breach the whole of this thing

3443
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:30,880
and this whole program was a massive

3444
02:20:35,750 --> 02:20:33,840
reverse engineering attempt

3445
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:35,760
you know now we have to pass the

3446
02:20:39,429 --> 02:20:36,880
question

3447
02:20:41,590 --> 02:20:39,439
certainly not american built are russian

3448
02:20:44,070 --> 02:20:41,600
built german built i suppose it's

3449
02:20:45,910 --> 02:20:44,080
possible but what could the russians

3450
02:20:46,870 --> 02:20:45,920
have built where we couldn't breach the

3451
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:46,880
whole

3452
02:20:50,309 --> 02:20:48,560
uh what about the germans were they

3453
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:50,319
working on

3454
02:20:54,710 --> 02:20:52,720
different metals some of things that

3455
02:20:56,950 --> 02:20:54,720
were quenched and were hardened could

3456
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:56,960
they have produced a metal

3457
02:21:02,230 --> 02:20:59,520
that would be impervious to a laser jack

3458
02:21:04,870 --> 02:21:02,240
hammers diamond tip drill bits is it

3459
02:21:07,349 --> 02:21:04,880
possible we have to consider that theory

3460
02:21:08,790 --> 02:21:07,359
as well well we have to because even

3461
02:21:12,309 --> 02:21:08,800
today

3462
02:21:14,630 --> 02:21:12,319
i i with all of our advanced uh

3463
02:21:16,230 --> 02:21:14,640
technology with with metals and

3464
02:21:18,150 --> 02:21:16,240
metallurgy today

3465
02:21:20,389 --> 02:21:18,160
we can still crack it i don't think

3466
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:20,399
there's anything uncrackable

3467
02:21:24,630 --> 02:21:22,319
right i'm being serious too i'm not

3468
02:21:27,750 --> 02:21:24,640
playing around about that so what would

3469
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:27,760
it be uh that was uh you know we

3470
02:21:33,670 --> 02:21:30,720
couldn't penetrate it back then in 1953

3471
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:33,680
1955 1958

3472
02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:35,840
uh that that makes you wonder and then

3473
02:21:40,150 --> 02:21:37,760
there's this

3474
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:40,160
the the the the million-dollar question

3475
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:42,640
that you know okay well you know e.t

3476
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:44,960
you know spends uh 10 000 light years

3477
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:47,840
you know travels across the universe and

3478
02:21:51,030 --> 02:21:49,600
they they come here and they suddenly

3479
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:51,040
just crash

3480
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:52,000
well

3481
02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:55,200
this is my take michael i want your take

3482
02:21:59,990 --> 02:21:57,120
we can't even figure out how to land on

3483
02:22:01,750 --> 02:22:00,000
the moon or land on mars

3484
02:22:04,309 --> 02:22:01,760
right we haven't figured out how to land

3485
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:04,319
on mars we get through that atmosphere

3486
02:22:08,550 --> 02:22:06,800
we're bouncing stuff in that that's

3487
02:22:11,030 --> 02:22:08,560
covered in beach balls

3488
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:11,040
that's our landing that's how we we're

3489
02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:13,520
bouncing stuff off of the surface

3490
02:22:18,389 --> 02:22:16,560
of mars because we can't figure out how

3491
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:18,399
to get there most of the stuff crashes

3492
02:22:25,349 --> 02:22:21,680
and we feel happy if we get something on

3493
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:25,359
the surface of mars and it is successful

3494
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:28,000
well it's the same thing for anybody

3495
02:22:32,070 --> 02:22:30,160
else that's coming here to earth they're

3496
02:22:35,510 --> 02:22:32,080
not familiar with the atmosphere or

3497
02:22:37,750 --> 02:22:35,520
getting through our atmosphere and then

3498
02:22:39,270 --> 02:22:37,760
getting uh through the turbulence and

3499
02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:39,280
and figuring out

3500
02:22:43,750 --> 02:22:42,240
uh how to fly here it's it's not that

3501
02:22:46,150 --> 02:22:43,760
simple you're

3502
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:46,160
uh you're surprised when you get here

3503
02:22:50,309 --> 02:22:47,920
and i'm look i'm just trying to be

3504
02:22:52,230 --> 02:22:50,319
logical

3505
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:52,240
well there's always

3506
02:22:57,510 --> 02:22:54,800
incidents involving aircraft carriers

3507
02:22:59,270 --> 02:22:57,520
on a monthly daily basis uh

3508
02:23:02,309 --> 02:22:59,280
you know we lose aircraft all the time

3509
02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:02,319
f-18s f-4s vietnam

3510
02:23:07,110 --> 02:23:04,640
all the time so is it possible they lose

3511
02:23:09,110 --> 02:23:07,120
some tube maybe it is maybe it is maybe

3512
02:23:11,429 --> 02:23:09,120
they're not all that far in advance

3513
02:23:13,429 --> 02:23:11,439
maybe they're only 100 years advanced if

3514
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:13,439
that's true then we could conceivably

3515
02:23:18,070 --> 02:23:15,920
secure about crashes

3516
02:23:19,590 --> 02:23:18,080
now what do you think uh before we get

3517
02:23:22,230 --> 02:23:19,600
to the break when we come back we'll

3518
02:23:24,150 --> 02:23:22,240
talk about uh jay allen heineken and the

3519
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:24,160
stuff that you pulled out of evanston

3520
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:25,280
illinois

3521
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:28,319
but what do what do you think uh is

3522
02:23:33,110 --> 02:23:31,040
ultimately gonna happen with disclosure

3523
02:23:35,190 --> 02:23:33,120
you know we got it seemed like we

3524
02:23:37,030 --> 02:23:35,200
cracked the door on it back in december

3525
02:23:39,590 --> 02:23:37,040
of 2017

3526
02:23:42,870 --> 02:23:39,600
and then the breaks were were just

3527
02:23:44,830 --> 02:23:42,880
pumped and everything stopped how close

3528
02:23:47,429 --> 02:23:44,840
are we to something

3529
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:47,439
official well instead of giving you my

3530
02:23:52,150 --> 02:23:48,960
opinion let me give you the opinion of

3531
02:23:54,309 --> 02:23:52,160
gordon cooper he felt that the only way

3532
02:23:57,270 --> 02:23:54,319
that this would ever break

3533
02:23:58,469 --> 02:23:57,280
is if the intelligence community

3534
02:24:00,870 --> 02:23:58,479
basically

3535
02:24:03,270 --> 02:24:00,880
hands this information over to the

3536
02:24:05,429 --> 02:24:03,280
scientific community as a united

3537
02:24:07,349 --> 02:24:05,439
coalition and then they come together as

3538
02:24:10,309 --> 02:24:07,359
a group that's the only way this is ever

3539
02:24:12,469 --> 02:24:10,319
going to come out is if this technology

3540
02:24:14,230 --> 02:24:12,479
is somehow

3541
02:24:16,150 --> 02:24:14,240
you know brought within the fold of the

3542
02:24:18,630 --> 02:24:16,160
scientific community and then they come

3543
02:24:21,190 --> 02:24:18,640
together as a united coalition it'll be

3544
02:24:22,950 --> 02:24:21,200
a reliable source it'll be reliable

3545
02:24:25,349 --> 02:24:22,960
engineers personnel who are bringing

3546
02:24:27,030 --> 02:24:25,359
this forth and then it'd be something

3547
02:24:28,630 --> 02:24:27,040
that the general public could bite down

3548
02:24:31,349 --> 02:24:28,640
on because it's coming from credible

3549
02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:31,359
sources anything short of that anything

3550
02:24:34,870 --> 02:24:33,520
short of the physical evidence that we

3551
02:24:37,110 --> 02:24:34,880
need to bring it forward it's not going

3552
02:24:39,030 --> 02:24:37,120
to happen so that's the way that gordon

3553
02:24:41,110 --> 02:24:39,040
cooper felt that this would the only way

3554
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:41,120
that this would actually take place well

3555
02:24:45,429 --> 02:24:44,080
you know avi loeb uh the professor out

3556
02:24:47,910 --> 02:24:45,439
of harvard

3557
02:24:51,190 --> 02:24:47,920
uh released another statement and i

3558
02:24:53,030 --> 02:24:51,200
actually uh exchanged an email with him

3559
02:24:54,830 --> 02:24:53,040
uh earlier today

3560
02:24:57,990 --> 02:24:54,840
and uh the

3561
02:25:00,389 --> 02:24:58,000
omua uh object that came in which is now

3562
02:25:02,870 --> 02:25:00,399
circling around jupiter and and getting

3563
02:25:05,510 --> 02:25:02,880
ready to head out of our solar system

3564
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:05,520
he's saying it's a solar sail that it's

3565
02:25:10,389 --> 02:25:08,000
only one millimeter thick it

3566
02:25:13,190 --> 02:25:10,399
um that it's not a rock

3567
02:25:16,469 --> 02:25:13,200
and that it is debris from

3568
02:25:18,710 --> 02:25:16,479
an alien spacecraft flying uh you know

3569
02:25:21,830 --> 02:25:18,720
cruising at an extremely high velocity

3570
02:25:25,270 --> 02:25:21,840
that an asteroid uh simply just wouldn't

3571
02:25:26,870 --> 02:25:25,280
do and he's sticking by his guns

3572
02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:26,880
um

3573
02:25:31,349 --> 02:25:28,960
you know when when he makes a statement

3574
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:31,359
like that and then we have fast radio

3575
02:25:35,270 --> 02:25:32,880
bursts and we have all this other stuff

3576
02:25:38,070 --> 02:25:35,280
that's coming out of the media right now

3577
02:25:40,630 --> 02:25:38,080
about uh contact with e.t

3578
02:25:43,510 --> 02:25:40,640
is is there a message ultimately that's

3579
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:43,520
being sent here to us

3580
02:25:48,630 --> 02:25:45,840
you can feel the vibe

3581
02:25:50,950 --> 02:25:48,640
there's an aura going on right now

3582
02:25:52,630 --> 02:25:50,960
it does feel like it's picking up

3583
02:25:54,630 --> 02:25:52,640
i don't know where it's leading but

3584
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:54,640
we're feeling something for sure yeah

3585
02:25:59,830 --> 02:25:56,640
and and the media

3586
02:26:02,389 --> 02:25:59,840
for the last oh man well

3587
02:26:04,469 --> 02:26:02,399
like forever right

3588
02:26:06,710 --> 02:26:04,479
didn't touch the subject

3589
02:26:08,070 --> 02:26:06,720
now you can go on any

3590
02:26:11,030 --> 02:26:08,080
mass media

3591
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:11,040
website today or turn on the tv

3592
02:26:14,550 --> 02:26:13,040
and there's something there about alien

3593
02:26:16,389 --> 02:26:14,560
contact

3594
02:26:18,469 --> 02:26:16,399
right right

3595
02:26:20,870 --> 02:26:18,479
well you'd hope that the giggle factor

3596
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:20,880
is slowly eroding we'd hope that that's

3597
02:26:25,590 --> 02:26:23,120
the case so we're we're heading in that

3598
02:26:28,790 --> 02:26:25,600
direction well when tucker carlson and

3599
02:26:31,030 --> 02:26:28,800
his bow tie is talking ufos on fox i

3600
02:26:34,630 --> 02:26:31,040
think we're getting close i'm not being

3601
02:26:36,630 --> 02:26:34,640
serious too he's the last guy that i

3602
02:26:39,990 --> 02:26:36,640
thought would straight face

3603
02:26:42,870 --> 02:26:40,000
the ufo subject but he's he's he's

3604
02:26:44,710 --> 02:26:42,880
straight facing it he is not uh there is

3605
02:26:47,110 --> 02:26:44,720
no giggle fact they're not cueing the

3606
02:26:48,790 --> 02:26:47,120
x-files music anymore

3607
02:26:50,070 --> 02:26:48,800
yeah well you can't argue with our

3608
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:50,080
fighter pilots

3609
02:26:53,830 --> 02:26:52,080
if we hear about gordon cooper seeing

3610
02:26:55,830 --> 02:26:53,840
these and it's corroborated by other

3611
02:26:57,429 --> 02:26:55,840
pilots then you can bank on it's a done

3612
02:26:59,270 --> 02:26:57,439
deal yeah i totally don't need to be

3613
02:27:01,030 --> 02:26:59,280
ashamed at this point

3614
02:27:03,190 --> 02:27:01,040
when we come back let's take a break

3615
02:27:06,070 --> 02:27:03,200
right here when we come back j ellen

3616
02:27:07,590 --> 02:27:06,080
heineck that's right project blue book i

3617
02:27:09,910 --> 02:27:07,600
am so jealous

3618
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about what michael schratt was able to

3619
02:27:13,830 --> 02:27:11,600
do for three years ten years ago and

3620
02:27:17,910 --> 02:27:13,840
let's go through all of the kufos files

3621
02:27:19,750 --> 02:27:17,920
they're in evanston illinois and procure

3622
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the good stuff we'll talk about all of

3623
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that when we come back this is fade to

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black i'm yours jimmy church stay with

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3712
02:32:10,190 --> 02:32:09,110
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3713
02:32:13,429 --> 02:32:10,200
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3714
02:32:16,860 --> 02:32:15,270
our guest tonight michael schratt moving

3715
02:32:18,230 --> 02:32:16,870
straight into overtime

3716
02:32:21,190 --> 02:32:18,240
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3717
02:32:24,070 --> 02:32:21,200
michael uh had uh he's been talking

3718
02:32:25,110 --> 02:32:24,080
about this for a while but uh he he told

3719
02:32:27,190 --> 02:32:25,120
me about

3720
02:32:29,030 --> 02:32:27,200
him going to evanston illinois going

3721
02:32:32,550 --> 02:32:29,040
into the uh qfos

3722
02:32:35,190 --> 02:32:32,560
offices for three years 10 years ago 60

3723
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:35,200
000 files in file cabinets

3724
02:32:40,870 --> 02:32:37,439
and spending the time to go through all

3725
02:32:42,230 --> 02:32:40,880
of those files and yank the ones that

3726
02:32:45,429 --> 02:32:42,240
were special

3727
02:32:47,030 --> 02:32:45,439
and uh i saw a few of those over the

3728
02:32:49,910 --> 02:32:47,040
weekend i've

3729
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:49,920
i have no idea how much material you're

3730
02:32:53,910 --> 02:32:52,960
sitting on michael but when you tell me

3731
02:32:55,190 --> 02:32:53,920
this is

3732
02:32:57,429 --> 02:32:55,200
the picture i want to paint for

3733
02:32:59,590 --> 02:32:57,439
everybody when you tell me okay i've got

3734
02:33:02,150 --> 02:32:59,600
10 cases i want to talk about

3735
02:33:05,349 --> 02:33:02,160
uh that i was able to pull from there

3736
02:33:07,190 --> 02:33:05,359
i i have to just stop and and just pause

3737
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:07,200
and and just wonder

3738
02:33:13,270 --> 02:33:09,840
uh you know what would stand out out of

3739
02:33:14,870 --> 02:33:13,280
those 60 000 cases uh for years so let's

3740
02:33:19,429 --> 02:33:14,880
go to number one

3741
02:33:21,750 --> 02:33:19,439
is a this is a case i pulled out of the

3742
02:33:22,710 --> 02:33:21,760
qfos files which i think is the best one

3743
02:33:24,630 --> 02:33:22,720
i've got

3744
02:33:25,990 --> 02:33:24,640
just for the caliber of the witness and

3745
02:33:27,990 --> 02:33:26,000
what he described

3746
02:33:31,670 --> 02:33:28,000
i've got the cover letter right here

3747
02:33:33,510 --> 02:33:31,680
it's it's dated december 24th 1974 it

3748
02:33:35,590 --> 02:33:33,520
has been buried i don't think anyone has

3749
02:33:39,670 --> 02:33:35,600
ever even seen this case uh letters

3750
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:39,680
dated uh december 24th 1974 dr j ellen

3751
02:33:44,309 --> 02:33:41,840
heineck and i'm just going to read this

3752
02:33:45,990 --> 02:33:44,319
cover page here it's not too long dr

3753
02:33:49,349 --> 02:33:46,000
heineck

3754
02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:49,359
if it would be um any interest to you or

3755
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:51,680
your associates i can forward to you a

3756
02:33:57,030 --> 02:33:54,160
report concerning an observation of two

3757
02:33:59,510 --> 02:33:57,040
ufos in low altitude flight with

3758
02:34:02,630 --> 02:33:59,520
attention to a few particular details

3759
02:34:05,030 --> 02:34:02,640
which might uh be of some value this is

3760
02:34:07,670 --> 02:34:05,040
not a questionable blinking light color

3761
02:34:11,030 --> 02:34:07,680
changing what it what is it sort of

3762
02:34:14,070 --> 02:34:11,040
citing but a very close up look

3763
02:34:16,630 --> 02:34:14,080
at two pieces of strange but solid

3764
02:34:19,349 --> 02:34:16,640
hardware in full operation

3765
02:34:22,070 --> 02:34:19,359
the incident is two years old but it is

3766
02:34:24,550 --> 02:34:22,080
verifiable as to being a qualified

3767
02:34:27,750 --> 02:34:24,560
observer i've held a commercial pilot's

3768
02:34:29,910 --> 02:34:27,760
license since the early 1940s am an

3769
02:34:32,389 --> 02:34:29,920
ex-navy pilot trained in instant

3770
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:32,399
recognition a coast guard search and

3771
02:34:37,429 --> 02:34:34,960
rescue pilot and have some trans-pacific

3772
02:34:39,590 --> 02:34:37,439
passenger carrying surface included

3773
02:34:42,550 --> 02:34:39,600
should be sound background for any sky

3774
02:34:44,790 --> 02:34:42,560
watching possibly anything i can report

3775
02:34:47,270 --> 02:34:44,800
uh will merely be repetition however i

3776
02:34:49,990 --> 02:34:47,280
think some of it might be useful no

3777
02:34:52,630 --> 02:34:50,000
notoriety and no publication of any

3778
02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:52,640
information sent is desired please

3779
02:34:56,230 --> 02:34:54,960
advise if interested and i'll leave his

3780
02:34:58,230 --> 02:34:56,240
name out

3781
02:34:59,110 --> 02:34:58,240
but this is the cover letter for this

3782
02:35:02,230 --> 02:34:59,120
case

3783
02:35:04,070 --> 02:35:02,240
and what this gentleman saw along with

3784
02:35:07,670 --> 02:35:04,080
his wife and their daughter was

3785
02:35:10,230 --> 02:35:07,680
incredible he he described uh included

3786
02:35:12,550 --> 02:35:10,240
in this case was a four-page

3787
02:35:14,950 --> 02:35:12,560
handwritten description of the craft

3788
02:35:17,830 --> 02:35:14,960
itself actually two of them and then at

3789
02:35:19,510 --> 02:35:17,840
least two pages of detailed sketches of

3790
02:35:20,870 --> 02:35:19,520
what this thing looked like just

3791
02:35:22,550 --> 02:35:20,880
incredible

3792
02:35:25,429 --> 02:35:22,560
break it down for you here

3793
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:25,439
december 26 1972

3794
02:35:31,590 --> 02:35:29,200
maracivo venezuela 8 p.m

3795
02:35:33,510 --> 02:35:31,600
ex-navy pilot his wife and daughter saw

3796
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:33,520
this they're living on the top floor of

3797
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:35,760
their 14th floor apartment

3798
02:35:38,710 --> 02:35:37,359
and uh

3799
02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:38,720
what they saw

3800
02:35:43,670 --> 02:35:41,439
facing northeast at the time was what

3801
02:35:46,150 --> 02:35:43,680
they originally thought was kind of a

3802
02:35:47,990 --> 02:35:46,160
craft with an engine fire

3803
02:35:49,429 --> 02:35:48,000
he thought maybe this might have been an

3804
02:35:51,830 --> 02:35:49,439
airliner with an engine fire or

3805
02:35:54,389 --> 02:35:51,840
something he wasn't sure but he saw kind

3806
02:35:56,309 --> 02:35:54,399
of this orange engine fire approaching

3807
02:35:58,950 --> 02:35:56,319
his location

3808
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:58,960
as it got closer he immediately thought

3809
02:36:02,150 --> 02:36:00,960
well this is no commercial airliner

3810
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:02,160
whatsoever

3811
02:36:07,030 --> 02:36:05,200
and this thing got within 150 feet of

3812
02:36:08,870 --> 02:36:07,040
all three witnesses they got a very

3813
02:36:09,670 --> 02:36:08,880
clear view of the underside of this

3814
02:36:12,070 --> 02:36:09,680
thing

3815
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:12,080
it was elliptical in shape and this can

3816
02:36:17,270 --> 02:36:14,960
be seen on that legacy of ufo case file

3817
02:36:18,550 --> 02:36:17,280
drawing that i sent you it's within that

3818
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:18,560
drawing you can see what this thing

3819
02:36:21,510 --> 02:36:19,920
actually looked like

3820
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:21,520
elliptical in shape

3821
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:23,680
round in front tapered in back the

3822
02:36:28,389 --> 02:36:26,960
extreme aft end was completely cut off

3823
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:28,399
like square

3824
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:31,040
uh an abrupt cut off

3825
02:36:35,110 --> 02:36:33,920
attached to the bottom of this craft

3826
02:36:37,110 --> 02:36:35,120
sort of

3827
02:36:40,710 --> 02:36:37,120
forward of the center line

3828
02:36:43,590 --> 02:36:40,720
were these two 36 inch diameter opposed

3829
02:36:46,070 --> 02:36:43,600
hemispherical type insulators with two

3830
02:36:48,309 --> 02:36:46,080
opposing electrodes and there was about

3831
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:48,319
a five inch gap between these two

3832
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:50,960
electrodes and this continuous

3833
02:36:55,190 --> 02:36:53,520
electrical arc was going back between

3834
02:36:57,910 --> 02:36:55,200
these hemispheres

3835
02:37:00,469 --> 02:36:57,920
wow uh after the yep after the craft

3836
02:37:03,429 --> 02:37:00,479
disappeared over the horizon jimmy a

3837
02:37:05,590 --> 02:37:03,439
second identical craft came right in

3838
02:37:08,469 --> 02:37:05,600
back of this one so they saw two of

3839
02:37:11,349 --> 02:37:08,479
these things just incredible now

3840
02:37:13,830 --> 02:37:11,359
around if you go back one third from the

3841
02:37:16,790 --> 02:37:13,840
leading edge of this craft all around

3842
02:37:19,670 --> 02:37:16,800
both left right and rear of this craft

3843
02:37:20,790 --> 02:37:19,680
were these cast iron looking exhaust

3844
02:37:25,750 --> 02:37:20,800
ports

3845
02:37:28,070 --> 02:37:25,760
per grouping so there was four going

3846
02:37:30,150 --> 02:37:28,080
along the entire outer circumference of

3847
02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:30,160
this vehicle and he described what

3848
02:37:34,790 --> 02:37:32,479
looked like an s-shaped electrical

3849
02:37:36,309 --> 02:37:34,800
arcing flame coming out of these exhaust

3850
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:36,319
ports

3851
02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:38,880
uh as this thing near the edge of town

3852
02:37:42,710 --> 02:37:40,880
accelerated and then disappeared from

3853
02:37:45,270 --> 02:37:42,720
flight following the same direction as

3854
02:37:49,510 --> 02:37:45,280
the first one so that's this case

3855
02:37:52,630 --> 02:37:49,520
december 26 1972. i have no id i'm

3856
02:37:55,349 --> 02:37:52,640
trying to picture in my mind's eye

3857
02:37:56,230 --> 02:37:55,359
uh what is going on here

3858
02:37:59,190 --> 02:37:56,240
uh

3859
02:38:01,750 --> 02:37:59,200
the electrical

3860
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:01,760
and i hate to say the word tesla

3861
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:04,479
but yeah i feel something there in the

3862
02:38:10,550 --> 02:38:08,160
electrodes very very strange

3863
02:38:12,790 --> 02:38:10,560
a description of this craft that doesn't

3864
02:38:14,950 --> 02:38:12,800
sound like ours yep

3865
02:38:16,309 --> 02:38:14,960
when you read this guy's description you

3866
02:38:19,510 --> 02:38:16,319
know we've kind of covered it here and

3867
02:38:21,750 --> 02:38:19,520
you see his drawings

3868
02:38:23,750 --> 02:38:21,760
you will be hit with the fact that this

3869
02:38:25,670 --> 02:38:23,760
gentleman's telling the truth no

3870
02:38:27,510 --> 02:38:25,680
question about this is not a joke this

3871
02:38:30,230 --> 02:38:27,520
is not science fiction

3872
02:38:32,790 --> 02:38:30,240
uh we read you just one sentence at the

3873
02:38:35,670 --> 02:38:32,800
end of his uh description here he says

3874
02:38:37,750 --> 02:38:35,680
much more description could be given

3875
02:38:40,150 --> 02:38:37,760
but would serve little purpose without

3876
02:38:42,550 --> 02:38:40,160
something tangible and the main points

3877
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:42,560
have been touched upon however

3878
02:38:48,550 --> 02:38:45,040
may i add that these two craft described

3879
02:38:50,710 --> 02:38:48,560
were identical finite pieces of hardware

3880
02:38:53,110 --> 02:38:50,720
and probably not too far beyond

3881
02:38:54,309 --> 02:38:53,120
something any of our top aircraft plants

3882
02:38:56,950 --> 02:38:54,319
could produce

3883
02:39:01,990 --> 02:38:56,960
what year what year was this

3884
02:39:04,870 --> 02:39:02,000
this was 1972 december 26 1972 venezuela

3885
02:39:08,550 --> 02:39:04,880
uh and is this what i'm i'm looking at

3886
02:39:11,750 --> 02:39:08,560
here i you you actually gave me

3887
02:39:18,309 --> 02:39:13,590
this is it right here

3888
02:39:21,349 --> 02:39:18,319
and i have no idea this is this is

3889
02:39:22,630 --> 02:39:21,359
this is crazy and the s-shape yeah uh

3890
02:39:25,429 --> 02:39:22,640
exhaust

3891
02:39:27,590 --> 02:39:25,439
uh correct correct and uh blue book was

3892
02:39:29,429 --> 02:39:27,600
closed at this point

3893
02:39:30,630 --> 02:39:29,439
well this is not in the blue book file

3894
02:39:32,469 --> 02:39:30,640
that's right that's right that's right

3895
02:39:34,870 --> 02:39:32,479
this had been buried this had been

3896
02:39:37,190 --> 02:39:34,880
buried within the qfos archives for

3897
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:37,200
years and the second i pull that out i

3898
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:39,680
go i know no one's seen this one it's so

3899
02:39:43,830 --> 02:39:41,840
buried and i immediately started going

3900
02:39:46,070 --> 02:39:43,840
on it immediately i immediately started

3901
02:39:47,990 --> 02:39:46,080
modeling it up doing a nice autocad

3902
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:48,000
drawing i wanted to make this case come

3903
02:39:52,389 --> 02:39:49,920
alive but this guy did a great job on

3904
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:52,399
his sketches they're just a fantastic

3905
02:39:57,670 --> 02:39:54,960
job and he describes it in excruciating

3906
02:40:00,150 --> 02:39:57,680
detail how big okay so

3907
02:40:02,389 --> 02:40:00,160
it's uh it's cut off at the end but it's

3908
02:40:04,150 --> 02:40:02,399
kind of a teardrop egg shape i'm holding

3909
02:40:06,870 --> 02:40:04,160
it up to the cameras

3910
02:40:09,349 --> 02:40:06,880
so everybody 50 feet in length 40 feet

3911
02:40:12,389 --> 02:40:09,359
in width okay

3912
02:40:15,110 --> 02:40:12,399
and so there it is there uh

3913
02:40:17,990 --> 02:40:15,120
again what was it 80 by 50

3914
02:40:19,510 --> 02:40:18,000
uh 50 feet in length 40 feet in width uh

3915
02:40:21,510 --> 02:40:19,520
50 by 40.

3916
02:40:23,830 --> 02:40:21,520
that's an incredible case

3917
02:40:26,230 --> 02:40:23,840
and something that when you pulled it

3918
02:40:28,469 --> 02:40:26,240
out you had never you've never heard of

3919
02:40:30,630 --> 02:40:28,479
this case before

3920
02:40:32,150 --> 02:40:30,640
not not until i saw it the first day

3921
02:40:34,630 --> 02:40:32,160
when i was there at qfost when i pulled

3922
02:40:36,790 --> 02:40:34,640
it out of the file i just immediately

3923
02:40:38,469 --> 02:40:36,800
recognized that this has never been seen

3924
02:40:39,990 --> 02:40:38,479
this configuration

3925
02:40:42,950 --> 02:40:40,000
is one of the most unusual

3926
02:40:45,670 --> 02:40:42,960
configurations within ufology

3927
02:40:47,670 --> 02:40:45,680
and it's just just crazy it's just

3928
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:47,680
unbelievable and the fact that it has

3929
02:40:50,710 --> 02:40:48,720
these

3930
02:40:53,429 --> 02:40:50,720
you know now they weren't necessarily

3931
02:40:55,830 --> 02:40:53,439
cast iron they look like cast iron but

3932
02:40:58,150 --> 02:40:55,840
he said that it looked like tons of

3933
02:41:00,230 --> 02:40:58,160
flame s-shaped tongues of flame were

3934
02:41:02,550 --> 02:41:00,240
coming out of these exhaust ports all

3935
02:41:05,270 --> 02:41:02,560
around the left hand right hand back

3936
02:41:08,070 --> 02:41:05,280
side but they weren't flames

3937
02:41:09,830 --> 02:41:08,080
they were like these electrical arc wave

3938
02:41:11,349 --> 02:41:09,840
patterns coming out of this thing not

3939
02:41:13,750 --> 02:41:11,359
necessarily flames which i thought was

3940
02:41:16,389 --> 02:41:13,760
very interesting now uh what's the next

3941
02:41:17,590 --> 02:41:16,399
case and i'm hoping it's going to be the

3942
02:41:26,710 --> 02:41:17,600
uh

3943
02:41:29,190 --> 02:41:26,720
within the qfos archives they had

3944
02:41:31,270 --> 02:41:29,200
handwritten letters they had night cap

3945
02:41:34,070 --> 02:41:31,280
files there they had app profiles there

3946
02:41:35,750 --> 02:41:34,080
as well a lot of obscure app profiles

3947
02:41:37,910 --> 02:41:35,760
were also part of this collection now i

3948
02:41:40,469 --> 02:41:37,920
want to go over one case that i think is

3949
02:41:42,870 --> 02:41:40,479
extremely interesting because of just

3950
02:41:45,429 --> 02:41:42,880
the the size of what this primary

3951
02:41:47,110 --> 02:41:45,439
eyewitness identified now uh when we

3952
02:41:48,790 --> 02:41:47,120
first met saturday

3953
02:41:51,270 --> 02:41:48,800
um i showed you the illustration of what

3954
02:41:54,389 --> 02:41:51,280
this looked like now this is february 28

3955
02:41:56,630 --> 02:41:54,399
1983 mobile alabama

3956
02:41:58,150 --> 02:41:56,640
the primary eyewitness is driving home

3957
02:42:00,230 --> 02:41:58,160
from a dinner engagement somewhere

3958
02:42:02,870 --> 02:42:00,240
around 9 00 p.m

3959
02:42:05,349 --> 02:42:02,880
when she heard this explosion her whole

3960
02:42:07,670 --> 02:42:05,359
car started vibrating now this is also

3961
02:42:10,389 --> 02:42:07,680
on that legacy drawing i sent you it's

3962
02:42:12,389 --> 02:42:10,399
on the upper uh row

3963
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:12,399
about i think three over from the left

3964
02:42:16,389 --> 02:42:14,640
or something very large crack so she

3965
02:42:17,750 --> 02:42:16,399
pulls over to the side of the road she

3966
02:42:19,990 --> 02:42:17,760
leans

3967
02:42:22,309 --> 02:42:20,000
kind of out of her car door under her

3968
02:42:24,230 --> 02:42:22,319
car to see if the transmission fell out

3969
02:42:26,469 --> 02:42:24,240
everything seemed to be fine she got in

3970
02:42:27,990 --> 02:42:26,479
her car she went another half mile

3971
02:42:31,349 --> 02:42:28,000
forward

3972
02:42:35,590 --> 02:42:31,359
and then to her north east

3973
02:42:37,510 --> 02:42:35,600
she sees this large 210 foot long craft

3974
02:42:39,510 --> 02:42:37,520
that's 80 feet high

3975
02:42:41,030 --> 02:42:39,520
moving toward her about four to five

3976
02:42:43,670 --> 02:42:41,040
miles per hour

3977
02:42:46,630 --> 02:42:43,680
and she said quote it had to sound like

3978
02:42:49,190 --> 02:42:46,640
the whipping of the wind or tornado when

3979
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:49,200
it got really close to her location it

3980
02:42:53,910 --> 02:42:51,840
stopped and was completely silent so she

3981
02:42:54,950 --> 02:42:53,920
got out of her car to get a better look

3982
02:42:56,950 --> 02:42:54,960
at this thing

3983
02:42:57,990 --> 02:42:56,960
the entire sighting lasted about five

3984
02:43:00,790 --> 02:42:58,000
minutes

3985
02:43:02,469 --> 02:43:00,800
and just to go over a brief description

3986
02:43:04,389 --> 02:43:02,479
of what this thing looked like the upper

3987
02:43:07,110 --> 02:43:04,399
deck of this craft had this curved

3988
02:43:08,870 --> 02:43:07,120
transparent window and she could see to

3989
02:43:09,830 --> 02:43:08,880
30 people inside that were walking

3990
02:43:12,070 --> 02:43:09,840
around

3991
02:43:14,309 --> 02:43:12,080
behind that curved window was a curved

3992
02:43:16,309 --> 02:43:14,319
wall that was white in color

3993
02:43:18,150 --> 02:43:16,319
and these beings that she described were

3994
02:43:19,270 --> 02:43:18,160
kind of pale skinned they were dressed

3995
02:43:21,190 --> 02:43:19,280
in these one

3996
02:43:23,510 --> 02:43:21,200
piece tight-fitting flight suits they

3997
02:43:26,309 --> 02:43:23,520
were about five feet ten inches tall

3998
02:43:28,790 --> 02:43:26,319
had no hair the tops of their heads were

3999
02:43:31,830 --> 02:43:28,800
a little bit more prominent than ours

4000
02:43:35,030 --> 02:43:31,840
below this deck was an opaque window

4001
02:43:37,510 --> 02:43:35,040
that was ins and indented into the craft

4002
02:43:39,510 --> 02:43:37,520
and it had tinted windows i'm not making

4003
02:43:41,910 --> 02:43:39,520
this up this is directly from the april

4004
02:43:45,190 --> 02:43:41,920
report sounds crazy

4005
02:43:47,670 --> 02:43:45,200
there was below this window was a door

4006
02:43:50,469 --> 02:43:47,680
that was closing from right to left

4007
02:43:52,309 --> 02:43:50,479
and kind of right within this door area

4008
02:43:56,710 --> 02:43:52,319
she said that there was this black

4009
02:43:59,830 --> 02:43:56,720
asphalt road that went inside this craft

4010
02:44:01,429 --> 02:43:59,840
looking on the left side of this opening

4011
02:44:04,550 --> 02:44:01,439
she saw a wall

4012
02:44:06,469 --> 02:44:04,560
that had these tubes pipes and cylinders

4013
02:44:08,469 --> 02:44:06,479
on it just like the bottom under

4014
02:44:10,230 --> 02:44:08,479
structure of the hudson valley boomerang

4015
02:44:12,150 --> 02:44:10,240
the belgium triangle and the southern

4016
02:44:15,429 --> 02:44:12,160
illinois triangle so now we're looking

4017
02:44:17,429 --> 02:44:15,439
at 12 separate cases with the same

4018
02:44:18,630 --> 02:44:17,439
tubes pipe cylinders within these

4019
02:44:21,830 --> 02:44:18,640
vehicles

4020
02:44:24,230 --> 02:44:21,840
uh the the entire exterior of the craft

4021
02:44:26,389 --> 02:44:24,240
had these portholes and rivets that

4022
02:44:28,469 --> 02:44:26,399
appear to be fastening this whole thing

4023
02:44:30,790 --> 02:44:28,479
together she looked through one of these

4024
02:44:33,830 --> 02:44:30,800
port holes that was lighted and she

4025
02:44:36,550 --> 02:44:33,840
reported seeing these huge eye beams

4026
02:44:39,030 --> 02:44:36,560
kind of identical to what dennis sand

4027
02:44:40,710 --> 02:44:39,040
had seen in his sighting near brewster

4028
02:44:42,150 --> 02:44:40,720
new york during the whole hudson valley

4029
02:44:43,830 --> 02:44:42,160
boomerang wave

4030
02:44:46,630 --> 02:44:43,840
the bottom of the craft

4031
02:44:48,230 --> 02:44:46,640
was kind of tapered upward in tears like

4032
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,240
a wedding cake

4033
02:44:53,670 --> 02:44:51,040
it got smaller as it tapered up

4034
02:44:55,830 --> 02:44:53,680
and uh this thing reminded her of a

4035
02:44:57,910 --> 02:44:55,840
submarine in appearance on the bottom of

4036
02:45:00,710 --> 02:44:57,920
this vehicle there was another one of

4037
02:45:03,190 --> 02:45:00,720
these transparent gondolas that had

4038
02:45:05,830 --> 02:45:03,200
these same five foot ten humanoid

4039
02:45:08,230 --> 02:45:05,840
looking beans dressed in these one-piece

4040
02:45:10,309 --> 02:45:08,240
tight-fitting flight suits

4041
02:45:11,590 --> 02:45:10,319
directly connected to this bottom

4042
02:45:15,030 --> 02:45:11,600
gondola

4043
02:45:16,309 --> 02:45:15,040
were these 24 inch by 24 inch highly

4044
02:45:18,950 --> 02:45:16,319
polished

4045
02:45:20,550 --> 02:45:18,960
reflective mirrors that made up a cross

4046
02:45:23,030 --> 02:45:20,560
on the bottom of this vehicle this is a

4047
02:45:24,469 --> 02:45:23,040
strange craft you just can't make this

4048
02:45:26,230 --> 02:45:24,479
stuff up

4049
02:45:27,590 --> 02:45:26,240
so these were these polished mirrors on

4050
02:45:30,550 --> 02:45:27,600
the bottom of the craft

4051
02:45:32,469 --> 02:45:30,560
she also noticed four pipes extruding

4052
02:45:34,950 --> 02:45:32,479
from the mid section of this craft they

4053
02:45:37,110 --> 02:45:34,960
were going out between six to eight feet

4054
02:45:39,670 --> 02:45:37,120
she felt that these look like guns or

4055
02:45:41,910 --> 02:45:39,680
cannons she wasn't quite sure

4056
02:45:44,870 --> 02:45:41,920
and these were surrounded by three to

4057
02:45:47,030 --> 02:45:44,880
four foot square boxes

4058
02:45:49,429 --> 02:45:47,040
uh after that this thing depart at a

4059
02:45:52,790 --> 02:45:49,439
slow rate of speed near a nearby wooded

4060
02:45:56,469 --> 02:45:52,800
area and that's this case 1983.

4061
02:45:57,269 --> 02:45:56,479
let's uh fascinating case fascinating

4062
02:45:59,990 --> 02:45:57,279
but

4063
02:46:01,110 --> 02:46:00,000
not as fascinating as the hamburger face

4064
02:46:01,910 --> 02:46:01,120
dude

4065
02:46:04,710 --> 02:46:01,920
and

4066
02:46:07,510 --> 02:46:04,720
oh yeah yeah we've got to um i made you

4067
02:46:10,950 --> 02:46:07,520
promise uh that we would

4068
02:46:12,469 --> 02:46:10,960
discuss this case and this was 1967 in

4069
02:46:15,269 --> 02:46:12,479
idaho

4070
02:46:17,830 --> 02:46:15,279
and in that case all right we have to

4071
02:46:20,790 --> 02:46:17,840
this is this is one of the

4072
02:46:23,910 --> 02:46:20,800
i mean how many aliens drive a car

4073
02:46:25,750 --> 02:46:23,920
right i mean uh i don't know i i mean

4074
02:46:27,910 --> 02:46:25,760
how many reports

4075
02:46:30,150 --> 02:46:27,920
i okay anyway hold on we're getting

4076
02:46:35,510 --> 02:46:30,160
we're getting ahead of our skis here

4077
02:46:40,309 --> 02:46:35,520
uh this was uh in ryrie idaho uh in

4078
02:46:42,309 --> 02:46:40,319
idaho casey yeah yep november 2nd 1967

4079
02:46:43,830 --> 02:46:42,319
and there i'm holding this up to the

4080
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:43,840
camera i'm going to go ahead and let you

4081
02:46:48,630 --> 02:46:46,240
what what happened on this night

4082
02:46:50,950 --> 02:46:48,640
okay okay so this is a famous case

4083
02:46:54,070 --> 02:46:50,960
within ufology i didn't make this up the

4084
02:46:56,070 --> 02:46:54,080
qfos archives included at least five

4085
02:46:59,110 --> 02:46:56,080
pages of notes

4086
02:47:01,590 --> 02:46:59,120
and then a detailed uh hand-drawn pencil

4087
02:47:05,349 --> 02:47:01,600
sketch so uh what what you're holding up

4088
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:05,359
is a is a very accurate reproduction of

4089
02:47:10,950 --> 02:47:07,920
the original sketch this is rari idaho

4090
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:10,960
november 2nd 1967.

4091
02:47:15,750 --> 02:47:13,840
so this strange craft

4092
02:47:17,670 --> 02:47:15,760
it's not a really big craft

4093
02:47:20,550 --> 02:47:17,680
maybe six feet in diameter three feet

4094
02:47:22,950 --> 02:47:20,560
high according to the eyewitness sketch

4095
02:47:25,110 --> 02:47:22,960
this craft parks itself

4096
02:47:26,870 --> 02:47:25,120
in the front of this running car two

4097
02:47:28,469 --> 02:47:26,880
gentlemen are in the car

4098
02:47:29,750 --> 02:47:28,479
just like right in front of the hood

4099
02:47:32,150 --> 02:47:29,760
section

4100
02:47:34,550 --> 02:47:32,160
not too far from that it's like pulling

4101
02:47:37,110 --> 02:47:34,560
the car off the road into this kind of a

4102
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:37,120
cleared grass feel area

4103
02:47:40,309 --> 02:47:38,000
and then

4104
02:47:42,870 --> 02:47:40,319
the top bubble canopy of this disc

4105
02:47:44,469 --> 02:47:42,880
shaped craft opens up and this three

4106
02:47:46,790 --> 02:47:44,479
foot tall being

4107
02:47:48,950 --> 02:47:46,800
levitates out of this craft

4108
02:47:50,710 --> 02:47:48,960
opens up the car door now that you know

4109
02:47:53,750 --> 02:47:50,720
this is reported in the sighting report

4110
02:47:55,830 --> 02:47:53,760
here he opens up the door he pushes the

4111
02:47:57,830 --> 02:47:55,840
two gentlemen over to the right side of

4112
02:47:59,910 --> 02:47:57,840
the passenger seat

4113
02:48:02,790 --> 02:47:59,920
gets behind the vehicle and it did not

4114
02:48:04,870 --> 02:48:02,800
say in the report how he got his foot on

4115
02:48:07,269 --> 02:48:04,880
the pedals since he was only three feet

4116
02:48:09,269 --> 02:48:07,279
tall it doesn't say how he actually got

4117
02:48:10,070 --> 02:48:09,279
his foot on the pedals but he drove this

4118
02:48:12,230 --> 02:48:10,080
car

4119
02:48:13,349 --> 02:48:12,240
at least another quarter to half mile

4120
02:48:16,710 --> 02:48:13,359
down the road

4121
02:48:18,469 --> 02:48:16,720
and stopped at that point the gentleman

4122
02:48:20,309 --> 02:48:18,479
on the far right hand side of the

4123
02:48:23,590 --> 02:48:20,319
vehicle who is by the passenger door

4124
02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:23,600
opens up the door in absolute horror he

4125
02:48:27,830 --> 02:48:24,960
runs away

4126
02:48:29,910 --> 02:48:27,840
and then this being exits the vehicle

4127
02:48:31,590 --> 02:48:29,920
hovers back into the bubble canopy and

4128
02:48:34,630 --> 02:48:31,600
then this thing departs

4129
02:48:36,630 --> 02:48:34,640
and they had a detailed sketch and while

4130
02:48:38,950 --> 02:48:36,640
this was occurring and he was in the

4131
02:48:41,349 --> 02:48:38,960
vehicle with the two gentlemen he was

4132
02:48:43,269 --> 02:48:41,359
making these high-pitched bird chirping

4133
02:48:45,349 --> 02:48:43,279
noise in an attempt to communicate to

4134
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:45,359
the two eyewitnesses now they could not

4135
02:48:49,349 --> 02:48:46,800
decipher

4136
02:48:51,590 --> 02:48:49,359
what he was trying to say but they did

4137
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:51,600
talk about like this high-pitched bird

4138
02:48:56,150 --> 02:48:53,200
chirping noise that this creature was

4139
02:48:58,070 --> 02:48:56,160
making now the face of this being was

4140
02:49:00,070 --> 02:48:58,080
very odd they said it quote looked like

4141
02:49:03,349 --> 02:49:00,080
a hamburger face

4142
02:49:04,790 --> 02:49:03,359
very strange rough textured face

4143
02:49:07,110 --> 02:49:04,800
something that we really haven't heard

4144
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:07,120
about within ufology so this is the

4145
02:49:13,190 --> 02:49:09,840
famous rari idaho case november 2nd

4146
02:49:15,590 --> 02:49:13,200
1967. yeah and they describe a few

4147
02:49:17,750 --> 02:49:15,600
things that uh and i went through the

4148
02:49:20,469 --> 02:49:17,760
report with you but there's a few things

4149
02:49:21,510 --> 02:49:20,479
that i i found very interesting

4150
02:49:23,190 --> 02:49:21,520
uh

4151
02:49:25,750 --> 02:49:23,200
clear dome

4152
02:49:29,349 --> 02:49:25,760
right and and the two correct the two

4153
02:49:32,389 --> 02:49:29,359
et's uh could be seen sitting

4154
02:49:35,670 --> 02:49:32,399
under the clear dome the craft itself

4155
02:49:37,750 --> 02:49:35,680
was only six feet in diameter that's

4156
02:49:40,230 --> 02:49:37,760
correct six feet in diameter according

4157
02:49:41,910 --> 02:49:40,240
to the original sketch yes and three

4158
02:49:45,510 --> 02:49:41,920
feet high

4159
02:49:47,990 --> 02:49:45,520
right and then when it took off it

4160
02:49:49,910 --> 02:49:48,000
looked like it was glowing on the bottom

4161
02:49:51,269 --> 02:49:49,920
of it

4162
02:49:52,870 --> 02:49:51,279
yes

4163
02:49:55,269 --> 02:49:52,880
a green color

4164
02:49:58,550 --> 02:49:55,279
at the bottom and and and green and

4165
02:50:01,670 --> 02:49:58,560
orange lights uh that were uh

4166
02:50:03,429 --> 02:50:01,680
uh changing color too as well

4167
02:50:04,150 --> 02:50:03,439
correct that's also in the sketch as

4168
02:50:06,630 --> 02:50:04,160
well

4169
02:50:09,110 --> 02:50:06,640
yeah pretty uh pretty interesting but he

4170
02:50:11,429 --> 02:50:09,120
drove it's a strange case it's a

4171
02:50:12,309 --> 02:50:11,439
great case and

4172
02:50:16,309 --> 02:50:12,319
uh

4173
02:50:18,630 --> 02:50:16,319
the the the hamburger faced alien okay i

4174
02:50:19,510 --> 02:50:18,640
think we have time for one maybe two

4175
02:50:22,389 --> 02:50:19,520
more

4176
02:50:24,389 --> 02:50:22,399
uh what do you want to do next

4177
02:50:26,150 --> 02:50:24,399
that's fine that's fine okay so let's

4178
02:50:28,710 --> 02:50:26,160
move on to another case uh we talked

4179
02:50:31,030 --> 02:50:28,720
about this when i was there as well uh

4180
02:50:32,950 --> 02:50:31,040
this case i think is very significant

4181
02:50:35,349 --> 02:50:32,960
just for the fact that the primary

4182
02:50:38,150 --> 02:50:35,359
eyewitness describes some incredible

4183
02:50:41,349 --> 02:50:38,160
detail just incredible detail it's also

4184
02:50:43,830 --> 02:50:41,359
within that legacy of uh

4185
02:50:45,910 --> 02:50:43,840
ufo cases uh drawing that i sent you as

4186
02:50:47,830 --> 02:50:45,920
well now i call this the light bulb

4187
02:50:51,910 --> 02:50:47,840
craft you have a copy of the drawing i

4188
02:50:53,990 --> 02:50:51,920
do i do keep going uh november 20th 1956

4189
02:50:56,309 --> 02:50:54,000
danielson connecticut i've got her

4190
02:50:57,910 --> 02:50:56,319
original four-page report and a detailed

4191
02:50:58,790 --> 02:50:57,920
sketch of what the craft actually looks

4192
02:51:01,830 --> 02:50:58,800
like

4193
02:51:03,349 --> 02:51:01,840
it was a clear night it was around 11 59

4194
02:51:06,070 --> 02:51:03,359
p.m

4195
02:51:07,429 --> 02:51:06,080
she saw this light approaching her house

4196
02:51:09,590 --> 02:51:07,439
at the time

4197
02:51:11,910 --> 02:51:09,600
it was completely silent it looked like

4198
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:11,920
a half sphere

4199
02:51:15,510 --> 02:51:14,160
approximately

4200
02:51:18,150 --> 02:51:15,520
you could say

4201
02:51:20,870 --> 02:51:18,160
maybe 10 feet high and this thing was

4202
02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:20,880
not transparent but translucent he made

4203
02:51:24,950 --> 02:51:23,040
that a point to make that that this

4204
02:51:28,150 --> 02:51:24,960
thing was not transparent but was

4205
02:51:29,990 --> 02:51:28,160
translucent and it had this yellow glow

4206
02:51:31,510 --> 02:51:30,000
coming from the interior of it now

4207
02:51:33,670 --> 02:51:31,520
here's the part where it starts getting

4208
02:51:36,389 --> 02:51:33,680
interesting now this thing came down to

4209
02:51:38,550 --> 02:51:36,399
her location within 20 feet of her

4210
02:51:40,710 --> 02:51:38,560
came back up and she got a good look at

4211
02:51:42,710 --> 02:51:40,720
the bottom of this thing just before it

4212
02:51:45,510 --> 02:51:42,720
nearly hit her roof as this thing

4213
02:51:48,630 --> 02:51:45,520
departed but she said number one

4214
02:51:50,550 --> 02:51:48,640
that it had this rage section or floor

4215
02:51:52,790 --> 02:51:50,560
that was invented two feet from the

4216
02:51:55,750 --> 02:51:52,800
bottom left uh lip of the craft so we've

4217
02:51:57,750 --> 02:51:55,760
got this floor here then she said that

4218
02:52:00,309 --> 02:51:57,760
around the outer

4219
02:52:04,070 --> 02:52:00,319
intersection of the craft there were at

4220
02:52:06,389 --> 02:52:04,080
least 24 what she called light sockets

4221
02:52:09,830 --> 02:52:06,399
now embedded within these light sockets

4222
02:52:12,630 --> 02:52:09,840
were these large oversized donuts

4223
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:12,640
and then between these three donuts were

4224
02:52:18,070 --> 02:52:16,000
these black tesla coil black structures

4225
02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:18,080
connecting these donuts that were

4226
02:52:22,870 --> 02:52:20,800
connected to these light sockets now

4227
02:52:24,870 --> 02:52:22,880
these were rotating in a clockwise

4228
02:52:27,190 --> 02:52:24,880
fashion they were all multi-colored they

4229
02:52:28,710 --> 02:52:27,200
were the sockets themselves were orange

4230
02:52:30,070 --> 02:52:28,720
in color

4231
02:52:32,950 --> 02:52:30,080
but then she said

4232
02:52:34,389 --> 02:52:32,960
on the bottom of each of these three

4233
02:52:36,070 --> 02:52:34,399
doughnuts

4234
02:52:38,630 --> 02:52:36,080
and i'm just gonna hit you with exactly

4235
02:52:41,510 --> 02:52:38,640
what she said there were curved lines

4236
02:52:44,710 --> 02:52:41,520
loops and dots dashes that look like

4237
02:52:46,790 --> 02:52:44,720
ancient arabic writing it also reminded

4238
02:52:49,670 --> 02:52:46,800
her of what you would see at the

4239
02:52:51,990 --> 02:52:49,680
perimeter of a persian rug or something

4240
02:52:54,790 --> 02:52:52,000
like a mayan pyramid inscription or

4241
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:54,800
something similar to aztec pottery and

4242
02:52:58,790 --> 02:52:56,560
this was identical

4243
02:53:01,269 --> 02:52:58,800
on each one of these donuts that she saw

4244
02:53:03,429 --> 02:53:01,279
at least 24 of these and these these

4245
02:53:04,950 --> 02:53:03,439
were all indented within that two-foot

4246
02:53:07,670 --> 02:53:04,960
floor section

4247
02:53:10,070 --> 02:53:07,680
and just the last time she saw this they

4248
02:53:12,469 --> 02:53:10,080
were revolving over the connecticut

4249
02:53:16,870 --> 02:53:12,479
light and power office and that is this

4250
02:53:20,710 --> 02:53:16,880
case november 20 november 20th 1956. now

4251
02:53:24,469 --> 02:53:20,720
she says uh yeah november 20th 1956 this

4252
02:53:27,110 --> 02:53:24,479
dome it's like a half half of a scooter

4253
02:53:29,990 --> 02:53:27,120
half a sphere correct the glass or the

4254
02:53:32,309 --> 02:53:30,000
dome itself is one foot thick

4255
02:53:34,150 --> 02:53:32,319
right so it's one foot thick glass

4256
02:53:36,150 --> 02:53:34,160
um the

4257
02:53:39,030 --> 02:53:36,160
bottom portion of it there's a lip that

4258
02:53:42,469 --> 02:53:39,040
goes in these bulbs are are moving

4259
02:53:45,990 --> 02:53:42,479
around it not moving our position around

4260
02:53:49,910 --> 02:53:46,000
and uh the craft itself was 25 feet in

4261
02:53:52,950 --> 02:53:49,920
in diameter no seams no openings nothing

4262
02:53:55,990 --> 02:53:52,960
no windows no doors correct

4263
02:53:59,030 --> 02:53:56,000
just what she saw and the uh

4264
02:54:01,349 --> 02:53:59,040
the three donut shaped uh

4265
02:54:02,550 --> 02:54:01,359
uh i don't know if that's a good way to

4266
02:54:05,590 --> 02:54:02,560
describe it

4267
02:54:06,710 --> 02:54:05,600
uh very interesting you know it's it i

4268
02:54:11,349 --> 02:54:06,720
can't

4269
02:54:13,429 --> 02:54:11,359
you know what i mean yeah i know and

4270
02:54:16,469 --> 02:54:13,439
when i and and what i mean by that is

4271
02:54:18,389 --> 02:54:16,479
when when i try to debunk something

4272
02:54:19,990 --> 02:54:18,399
michael and i hear somebody's

4273
02:54:21,590 --> 02:54:20,000
description of something i'm trying to

4274
02:54:23,510 --> 02:54:21,600
think of something i've seen in the past

4275
02:54:25,110 --> 02:54:23,520
or maybe that they have seen

4276
02:54:28,230 --> 02:54:25,120
and they are

4277
02:54:30,790 --> 02:54:28,240
maybe embellishing or taking something

4278
02:54:32,870 --> 02:54:30,800
uh very terrestrial and then trying to

4279
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:32,880
turn it into something that it's not

4280
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:35,840
that's what i do right with this

4281
02:54:39,910 --> 02:54:38,800
this this isn't like anything it just

4282
02:54:45,510 --> 02:54:39,920
doesn't

4283
02:54:47,750 --> 02:54:45,520
nope she goes into great detail on her

4284
02:54:50,070 --> 02:54:47,760
sketch i mean this is a beautifully

4285
02:54:53,670 --> 02:54:50,080
drawn hand-drawn sketch and she's got

4286
02:54:55,670 --> 02:54:53,680
these peruvian rug descriptions embedded

4287
02:54:58,710 --> 02:54:55,680
within these tesla coil donuts i mean

4288
02:55:01,269 --> 02:54:58,720
she did a fantastic job just a beautiful

4289
02:55:03,349 --> 02:55:01,279
job i bet my life on it i know it's true

4290
02:55:04,870 --> 02:55:03,359
i mean just by reading your account she

4291
02:55:07,750 --> 02:55:04,880
talks about the flight path the

4292
02:55:10,710 --> 02:55:07,760
description the balls the the rotating

4293
02:55:13,429 --> 02:55:10,720
uh description of how they were rotating

4294
02:55:15,110 --> 02:55:13,439
but just the description of these arabic

4295
02:55:17,510 --> 02:55:15,120
writings or

4296
02:55:19,510 --> 02:55:17,520
mayan pottery clay inscriptions on the

4297
02:55:23,190 --> 02:55:19,520
bottom i thought was historically

4298
02:55:25,670 --> 02:55:23,200
significant michael why uh

4299
02:55:28,309 --> 02:55:25,680
or no i should say when

4300
02:55:30,230 --> 02:55:28,319
when is this going to get digitized and

4301
02:55:32,950 --> 02:55:30,240
go public

4302
02:55:36,070 --> 02:55:32,960
i understand you've got you've got tens

4303
02:55:37,990 --> 02:55:36,080
of thousands of pages right it's an

4304
02:55:40,309 --> 02:55:38,000
outrageous amount of material that

4305
02:55:42,469 --> 02:55:40,319
you're sitting on right but the public

4306
02:55:44,870 --> 02:55:42,479
needs to see this

4307
02:55:46,710 --> 02:55:44,880
okay well to answer part of the question

4308
02:55:48,630 --> 02:55:46,720
and this is not a plug i don't get paid

4309
02:55:50,710 --> 02:55:48,640
for any of this um

4310
02:55:52,630 --> 02:55:50,720
during the leonard springfield research

4311
02:55:53,750 --> 02:55:52,640
when uh

4312
02:55:57,590 --> 02:55:53,760
when um

4313
02:55:59,990 --> 02:55:57,600
jane harrison got access to the official

4314
02:56:02,630 --> 02:56:00,000
dictation notes by leonard secretary

4315
02:56:06,070 --> 02:56:02,640
that this is 75 three-wing binders that

4316
02:56:07,830 --> 02:56:06,080
are over at orange county airport the uh

4317
02:56:09,990 --> 02:56:07,840
mufon headquarters there that's where

4318
02:56:12,550 --> 02:56:10,000
this information is stored there i made

4319
02:56:13,990 --> 02:56:12,560
an agreement with jan harzan that i

4320
02:56:16,070 --> 02:56:14,000
would write a book

4321
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:16,080
that includes detailed descriptions

4322
02:56:21,030 --> 02:56:18,160
based directly off of the dictation

4323
02:56:23,510 --> 02:56:21,040
notes and then make the cases come alive

4324
02:56:25,190 --> 02:56:23,520
via illustrations drawings technical

4325
02:56:27,590 --> 02:56:25,200
engineering drawings and make these

4326
02:56:30,309 --> 02:56:27,600
cases come alive so i

4327
02:56:32,950 --> 02:56:30,319
going through all 75 binders

4328
02:56:35,349 --> 02:56:32,960
i picked out 119 cases that i felt had

4329
02:56:36,870 --> 02:56:35,359
some really good meat on the bones and i

4330
02:56:39,429 --> 02:56:36,880
put them into a booklet called

4331
02:56:41,910 --> 02:56:39,439
retrievals of the third kind cosmic

4332
02:56:44,309 --> 02:56:41,920
crashes corpses and cover-ups so it's

4333
02:56:46,389 --> 02:56:44,319
kind of an homage to leonard springfield

4334
02:56:48,150 --> 02:56:46,399
so the cases that we talked about this

4335
02:56:50,309 --> 02:56:48,160
evening all the crash retrieval cases

4336
02:56:51,830 --> 02:56:50,319
the illustrations the drawings

4337
02:56:54,790 --> 02:56:51,840
uh some of the

4338
02:56:56,389 --> 02:56:54,800
details are within this booklet i'm not

4339
02:56:58,469 --> 02:56:56,399
getting paid for it i do it for free of

4340
02:57:00,309 --> 02:56:58,479
charge it's a crusade to me but this is

4341
02:57:02,150 --> 02:57:00,319
available on the new fund website the

4342
02:57:04,710 --> 02:57:02,160
other ones that we've talked about

4343
02:57:06,230 --> 02:57:04,720
i've discussed within multiple youtube

4344
02:57:08,630 --> 02:57:06,240
presentations that i've given over the

4345
02:57:10,950 --> 02:57:08,640
years and uh that's just kind of how i

4346
02:57:15,030 --> 02:57:10,960
roll so it's available it's out there

4347
02:57:16,790 --> 02:57:15,040
for sure yeah i can i i imagine i'm

4348
02:57:18,469 --> 02:57:16,800
going to talk to you off of the air i've

4349
02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:18,479
got something else i want to talk to you

4350
02:57:21,910 --> 02:57:19,520
about but

4351
02:57:23,990 --> 02:57:21,920
um so i'm going to ask you to hang on

4352
02:57:25,910 --> 02:57:24,000
and then i've uh and then

4353
02:57:27,030 --> 02:57:25,920
and then we'll talk but michael i want

4354
02:57:30,389 --> 02:57:27,040
to thank you

4355
02:57:32,309 --> 02:57:30,399
an amazing amazing amazing show tonight

4356
02:57:33,990 --> 02:57:32,319
and you and i the other day i'm pounding

4357
02:57:36,070 --> 02:57:34,000
coffee i

4358
02:57:37,750 --> 02:57:36,080
i didn't want that to end that should

4359
02:57:39,670 --> 02:57:37,760
have been like that that should have

4360
02:57:41,190 --> 02:57:39,680
been a 72 hour

4361
02:57:43,110 --> 02:57:41,200
uh

4362
02:57:44,070 --> 02:57:43,120
there's more to go i won't even scratch

4363
02:57:45,750 --> 02:57:44,080
the surface

4364
02:57:48,070 --> 02:57:45,760
thank you so much michael stay right

4365
02:57:50,469 --> 02:57:48,080
there and we'll talk to you right after

4366
02:57:52,469 --> 02:57:50,479
i roll these credits i've uh got to get

4367
02:57:55,590 --> 02:57:52,479
out of here before the network cuts me

4368
02:57:57,750 --> 02:57:55,600
off thank you so much michael

4369
02:57:59,110 --> 02:57:57,760
michael schrad michael you just stay

4370
02:58:01,429 --> 02:57:59,120
right there

4371
02:58:03,190 --> 02:58:01,439
wow

4372
02:58:05,510 --> 02:58:03,200
everybody's going keep this going keep

4373
02:58:08,070 --> 02:58:05,520
this going we just talked for two and a

4374
02:58:10,230 --> 02:58:08,080
half straight hours

4375
02:58:11,910 --> 02:58:10,240
what a conversation tonight fade to

4376
02:58:14,150 --> 02:58:11,920
black's executive producers rita

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kovar webmaster is drew the geek music

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fade to black is produced by kjcr for

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the game changer network and syndication

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is kgra

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copyrighted 2019 by fade to black and

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the game changer network it cannot be

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until tomorrow night surprise guest

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